1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:29,533 --> 00:00:31,400 ( men laughing ) 4 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,100 Roman Polanski: ...OF "BEN HUR," YOU MEAN? 5 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:35,367 Clive James: GRANTED THAT IT'S TOO EASY AND A CLICHE 6 00:00:35,367 --> 00:00:37,834 TO CONNECT YOUR WORK WITH YOUR LIFE 7 00:00:37,834 --> 00:00:39,200 IN SUCH A DIRECT MANNER. 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,133 LET ME TAKE THE EXAMPLE OF "CHINATOWN." 9 00:00:41,133 --> 00:00:42,633 "CHINATOWN" IS REALLY A MOVIE 10 00:00:42,633 --> 00:00:44,934 ABOUT JUSTICE NOT WINNING. 11 00:00:44,934 --> 00:00:47,066 IS THAT WHAT YOU HAD COME TO BELIEVE? 12 00:00:47,066 --> 00:00:48,467 Polanski: NO, NOT AT ALL. 13 00:00:48,467 --> 00:00:51,166 BUT IF YOU WANT YOUR FILM TO SERVE ANY PURPOSE, 14 00:00:51,166 --> 00:00:52,967 IF YOU WANT TO SHOW INJUSTICE 15 00:00:52,967 --> 00:00:55,767 OR CORRUPTION OF LOS ANGELES IN THAT PERIOD, 16 00:00:55,767 --> 00:00:59,967 YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT INJUSTICE SOMEHOW WON 17 00:00:59,967 --> 00:01:03,600 AND LEAVE THEM 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,400 WITH A FEELING OF FRUSTRATION. 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,700 I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND IF I JUST REACH ACROSS HERE 20 00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:11,600 AND GRAB A COUPLE OF THESE NUTS. 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,266 ME TOO. 22 00:01:13,266 --> 00:01:15,066 ANYWAY, THAT'S-- THAT'S FICTION. 23 00:01:15,066 --> 00:01:18,500 AND I THINK THIS PROBABLY MAY BE STILL 24 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:20,834 IN THE LAND OF FICTION, EDGING TOWARD FACT. 25 00:01:20,834 --> 00:01:22,700 WHEN THEY-- 26 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:25,033 WHEN THE NEWSPAPERS AND THE MAGAZINES AND THE BOOKS 27 00:01:25,033 --> 00:01:28,867 TALK ABOUT YOU AND LITTLE GIRLS, ALL RIGHT, 28 00:01:28,867 --> 00:01:30,900 IS THERE ANYTHING IN IT? 29 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:33,934 WELL, I LIKE YOUNG WOMEN, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. 30 00:01:33,934 --> 00:01:36,333 I THINK MOST OF MEN DO, ACTUALLY. 31 00:01:36,333 --> 00:01:39,734 YEAH, BUT THE QUESTION TURNS ON HOW YOUNG, DOESN'T IT? 32 00:01:39,734 --> 00:01:41,633 WELL, YES. HERE YOU'VE COME 33 00:01:41,633 --> 00:01:45,300 TO A CONCRETE CASE 34 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:48,400 FOR WHICH I HAVE BEEN BEHIND BARS. 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,934 THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. 36 00:01:50,934 --> 00:01:53,934 BUT WHAT EXACTLY 37 00:01:53,934 --> 00:01:56,633 WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TELL YOU? 38 00:01:56,633 --> 00:02:00,433 ( "Rosemary's Baby" theme playing ) 39 00:02:10,867 --> 00:02:12,867 Reporters: MR. POLANSKI! 40 00:02:12,867 --> 00:02:15,100 A QUESTION HERE, MR. POLANSKI! 41 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,667 Man: THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT 42 00:02:20,667 --> 00:02:23,433 TODAY ANNOUNCED THE ARREST OF RAYMOND POLANSKI 43 00:02:23,433 --> 00:02:25,567 AS A RESULT OF A COMPLAINT 44 00:02:25,567 --> 00:02:28,800 FILED BY THE MOTHER OF A 13-YEAR-OLD FEMALE. 45 00:02:30,567 --> 00:02:32,934 Polanski: IT WAS A YEAR OF ANXIETY, 46 00:02:32,934 --> 00:02:34,834 A YEAR OF DRAMA FOR ME, 47 00:02:34,834 --> 00:02:37,400 AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS SIMPLY ENOUGH. 48 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,800 ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,066 AND THAT WAS MY DECISION TO LEAVE. 50 00:02:43,433 --> 00:02:46,233 YOU RAN AWAY, ROMAN. 51 00:02:46,233 --> 00:02:47,500 YOU RAN AWAY. 52 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:51,834 WELL, I, AS YOU SAY, RAN AWAY, 53 00:02:51,834 --> 00:02:54,900 BECAUSE I THINK 54 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:56,734 THAT I WAS VERY UNFORTUNATE 55 00:02:56,734 --> 00:02:59,467 TO HAVE A JUDGE 56 00:02:59,467 --> 00:03:02,166 WHO MISUSED JUSTICE. 57 00:03:02,166 --> 00:03:04,500 AND HE WAS PLAYING WITH ME 58 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:08,100 FOR THE PERIOD OF A YEAR. 59 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:12,600 I THINK THAT I WAS SOME KIND OF MOUSE 60 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,433 WITH WHICH 61 00:03:15,433 --> 00:03:19,300 SOME ABOMINABLE CAT 62 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:21,300 BEGINS A SPORT. 63 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:24,066 Man: GET THAT OUT OF OUR FACE. 64 00:03:24,066 --> 00:03:26,333 PLEASE PLEASE. 65 00:03:26,333 --> 00:03:28,233 WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH. 66 00:03:28,233 --> 00:03:31,734 ( reporters clamoring ) 67 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:48,166 ( mutters ) 68 00:03:50,433 --> 00:03:52,500 Andrew Braunsberg: PEOPLE WERE NOT IN THE HABIT 69 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:54,500 OF CALLING ME AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING. 70 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:57,467 SO I WAS SLEEPING. 71 00:03:57,467 --> 00:03:59,900 ( line ringing ) 72 00:04:01,667 --> 00:04:03,600 I PICKED UP THE PHONE 73 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,300 AND THEY SAID, "ROMAN'S BEEN ARRESTED." 74 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:08,400 AND I SAID, "WHAT FOR?" 75 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,834 AND THEY SAID, "RAPE." 76 00:04:10,834 --> 00:04:12,400 I SAID-- 77 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,967 I JUST COULD NOT-- IT JUST MADE NO SENSE. 78 00:04:14,967 --> 00:04:16,934 I MEAN, THIS IS SOMEBODY 79 00:04:16,934 --> 00:04:19,133 WHO COULD NOT BE A RAPIST, YOU KNOW? 80 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:21,000 I MEAN, IT'S SOMEBODY I KNOW 81 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,433 REALLY REALLY WELL. 82 00:04:25,834 --> 00:04:28,600 Philip Vannatter: I WAS WORKING WEST L.A. HOMICIDE 83 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,300 AND I ALSO HANDLED SEX CRIMES. 84 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:33,000 AND I CAME IN TO WORK 85 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,333 AND I HAD A CRIME REPORT ON MY DESK 86 00:04:35,333 --> 00:04:38,367 OF A RAPE THAT HAD BEEN REPORTED. 87 00:04:38,367 --> 00:04:41,934 AND ROMAN POLANSKI WAS THE NAMED SUSPECT IN IT. 88 00:04:41,934 --> 00:04:44,600 AFTER I RECEIVED THE REPORT I STARTED THE FOLLOW-UP. 89 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,600 I WENT TO INTERVIEW THE VICTIM AND HER MOTHER. 90 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,033 I DID AN EXTENSIVE INTERVIEW WITH THEM, 91 00:04:50,033 --> 00:04:53,667 MADE SURE THAT ANY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE 92 00:04:53,667 --> 00:04:56,734 WOULD HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FROM HER THAT SHE HAD, 93 00:04:56,734 --> 00:04:58,700 AND THEN I WENT 94 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:00,533 AND TALKED TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 95 00:05:00,533 --> 00:05:02,567 VANNATTER CAME INTO THE OFFICE 96 00:05:02,567 --> 00:05:04,934 AND WE SAT DOWN AND HE RAN THE CASE BY ME. 97 00:05:04,934 --> 00:05:07,667 HE SHOWED ME THE INCIDENT REPORT, A CRIME REPORT 98 00:05:07,667 --> 00:05:10,300 TAKEN BY A COUPLE OF PATROL OFFICERS, 99 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:13,800 WHICH IS A NARRATIVE OF THE FACTS AND STUFF. 100 00:07:16,266 --> 00:07:18,500 David Wells: TIME WAS KIND OF OF THE ESSENCE, 101 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:20,266 SO WE GOT THE SEARCH WARRANT. 102 00:07:20,266 --> 00:07:21,934 IT WAS FOR TWO LOCATIONS-- 103 00:07:21,934 --> 00:07:24,400 IT WAS FOR JACK NICHOLSON'S HOUSE 104 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,867 WHERE THE CRIME OCCURRED 105 00:07:26,867 --> 00:07:30,066 AND ALSO FOR POLANSKI'S SUITE 106 00:07:30,066 --> 00:07:32,967 ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BEVERLY WILSHIRE HOTEL. 107 00:07:32,967 --> 00:07:34,834 Vannatter: ME AND MY PARTNER, 108 00:07:34,834 --> 00:07:37,033 ALONG WITH A NARCOTICS OFFICER, 109 00:07:37,033 --> 00:07:39,800 PROCEEDED WITH THE SEARCH WARRANT TO THE HOTEL. 110 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,300 Jim Grodin: WE WERE WALKING IN AND HE WAS WALKING OUT 111 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:45,233 WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY GOING OUT FOR THE EVENING. 112 00:07:45,233 --> 00:07:49,700 AND I TOLD PHIL, I SAID, "THERE HE IS." 113 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:51,200 AND WE STOPPED 114 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,100 BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE WALKED RIGHT ON BY US. 115 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:56,233 SO WE SAID, "MR. POLANSKI, L.A.P.D. WE HAVE TO TALK." 116 00:07:56,233 --> 00:07:58,166 AND HE CAME OUT AND HE SAYS, "IS THIS IS GONNA BE 117 00:07:58,166 --> 00:08:01,300 MORE THAN A FEW MINUTES? IF IT IS, I'LL LET MY PEOPLE GO." 118 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:04,467 WE SAID, "YES, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN A FEW MINUTES. 119 00:08:04,467 --> 00:08:07,000 WE PROCEEDED UP TO HIS ROOM AND COMPLETED THE SEARCH WARRANT, 120 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,767 WHICH-- WE DID FIND THE CAMERA EQUIPMENT, 121 00:08:09,767 --> 00:08:13,600 THE FILM THAT WE ULTIMATELY HAD DEVELOPED. 122 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,734 AND IT DID SHOW NUDE PICTURES OF THE VICTIM. 123 00:08:15,734 --> 00:08:17,633 Marina Zenovich: TOTALLY NUDE? 124 00:08:17,633 --> 00:08:19,867 WELL, SHE WAS IN A SPA. 125 00:08:19,867 --> 00:08:22,500 YOU COULD SEE THE UPPER PORTION OF HER BODY. 126 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:24,467 YOU COULDN'T SEE HER WHOLE BODY 127 00:08:24,467 --> 00:08:26,200 BECAUSE SHE WAS IN THE WATER. 128 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,633 BUT THEY WERE NUDE PICTURES. 129 00:08:29,633 --> 00:08:31,533 POLANSKI WAS NERVOUS. HE WAS UPSET. 130 00:08:31,533 --> 00:08:33,800 AND HE IS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT JUST TALK. 131 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,900 AND I SUSPECT 132 00:08:35,900 --> 00:08:37,867 HE FIGURES, "WELL, IF I TALK AND TALK 133 00:08:37,867 --> 00:08:40,166 I CAN PROBABLY TALK MY WAY OUT OF THIS THING." 134 00:08:40,166 --> 00:08:41,967 HE WAS LIKE ON A HYPER HIGH. 135 00:08:41,967 --> 00:08:43,934 AND HE'S CONSTANTLY TALKING, 136 00:08:43,934 --> 00:08:45,967 CONSTANTLY FIDGETING. 137 00:08:45,967 --> 00:08:50,400 AND HE DIDN'T PERCEIVE HAVING INTERCOURSE 138 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,767 WITH A 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL AS AGAINST THE LAW. 139 00:08:52,767 --> 00:08:54,767 THAT WAS NOT IN HIS CULTURE. 140 00:08:54,767 --> 00:08:58,433 YOU KNOW, "SO WHAT?" TYPE THING. 141 00:08:58,433 --> 00:09:00,233 HE DIDN'T REALIZE, I GUESS, 142 00:09:00,233 --> 00:09:02,000 THE LAWS OF OUR COUNTRY 143 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,166 AS COMPARED TO OTHER COUNTRIES. 144 00:09:05,166 --> 00:09:09,333 I'M NOT SO SURE THAT MR. POLANSKI WAS AWARE 145 00:09:09,333 --> 00:09:12,500 OF WHAT BEING ARRESTED IN AMERICA MEANT. 146 00:09:18,533 --> 00:09:20,633 ( reporters clamoring ) 147 00:09:56,133 --> 00:09:59,000 I KNOW IT'S A VERY LARGE PIECE OF NEWS FOR ALL OF YOU. 148 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,867 IT'S A LOT OF SENSATIONAL STUFF. 149 00:10:00,867 --> 00:10:04,266 BUT TRY TO GO BEYOND IT AND UNDERSTAND MY POSITION. 150 00:10:04,266 --> 00:10:06,066 IT'S NOT THE BEST TYPE OF PUBLICITY, 151 00:10:06,066 --> 00:10:07,667 NOT SOMETHING I DESIRE. 152 00:10:07,667 --> 00:10:10,133 I HAVE NOT MUCH TO TELL YOU EXCEPT THAT I'M INNOCENT. 153 00:10:16,166 --> 00:10:18,633 Richard Brenneman: WHEN THE CASE ARRIVED HERE 154 00:10:18,633 --> 00:10:20,734 THERE WAS AN ABSOLUTE MOB OF PUBLICITY-- 155 00:10:20,734 --> 00:10:23,066 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, U.P.I., 156 00:10:23,066 --> 00:10:26,433 "NEW YORK TIMES," "LOS ANGELES TIMES," 157 00:10:26,433 --> 00:10:28,700 CELEBRITY MAGS, GERMAN REPORTERS, 158 00:10:28,700 --> 00:10:31,900 FRENCH REPORTERS, BRITISH REPORTERS. 159 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:35,233 I HAD NEVER SEEN A MEDIA FEEDING FRENZY BEFORE 160 00:10:35,233 --> 00:10:38,400 AND THIS COURTROOM EMBODIED IT. 161 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,133 YOU COULDN'T MEET ANYBODY, 162 00:10:40,133 --> 00:10:42,667 WHETHER HE WAS KNOWN OR NOT KNOWN AT ALL 163 00:10:42,667 --> 00:10:44,867 WHO DIDN'T HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THIS CASE. 164 00:10:44,867 --> 00:10:47,300 AND IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CASES. 165 00:10:47,300 --> 00:10:50,400 I DIDN'T WORK FOR WEEKS AND MONTHS 166 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,066 ON ANYTHING ELSE BUT THIS CASE. 167 00:10:57,834 --> 00:11:01,133 Brenneman: AS THE CASE PROGRESSED, I WAS STRUCK-- 168 00:11:01,133 --> 00:11:03,200 YOU KNOW, HOW COULD THE SAME MAN BE 169 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,066 TWO DIFFERENT THINGS TO TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF PRESS? 170 00:11:06,066 --> 00:11:09,867 THE EUROPEAN REPORTERS LOOKED ON POLANSKI 171 00:11:09,867 --> 00:11:13,367 AS THIS TRAGIC, BRILLIANT HISTORIC FIGURE. 172 00:11:13,367 --> 00:11:15,100 HERE WAS THIS MAN 173 00:11:15,100 --> 00:11:17,500 WHO HAD SURVIVED THE HOLOCAUST, 174 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:20,467 WHO HAD SURVIVED THE GASSING OF HIS MOTHER 175 00:11:20,467 --> 00:11:22,700 AND THEN HAD COME HERE 176 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:24,800 AND DEVELOPED HIS OWN VOICE, 177 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,867 HAD MAINTAINED HIS INTEGRITY 178 00:11:26,867 --> 00:11:29,467 AGAINST THE POWER OF THE HOLLYWOOD MACHINE. 179 00:11:29,467 --> 00:11:32,800 AND THE AMERICAN PRESS TENDED TO LOOK AT HIM 180 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,400 AS THIS SORT OF MALIGNANT TWISTED DWARF 181 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,533 WITH THIS DARK VISION. 182 00:11:37,533 --> 00:11:40,667 Daniel Melnick: ROMAN WAS THE PERFECT VILLAIN FOR THEM. 183 00:11:40,667 --> 00:11:44,367 HE WAS A FOREIGNER. HE HAD A THICK ACCENT. 184 00:11:44,367 --> 00:11:47,033 HE MADE LOTS OF MONEY IN THE MOVIE BUSINESS. 185 00:11:47,033 --> 00:11:48,867 HE WAS SHORT. HE WAS PERFECT. 186 00:11:48,867 --> 00:11:51,567 IN CALIFORNIA AT THAT TIME, 187 00:11:51,567 --> 00:11:54,333 HAD HE NOT BEEN WHO HE WAS-- 188 00:11:54,333 --> 00:11:56,266 IN OTHER WORDS, A FAMOUS 189 00:11:56,266 --> 00:11:58,567 CONTROVERSIAL DIRECTOR 190 00:11:58,567 --> 00:12:01,400 WITH THE LEGACY 191 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,533 OF HIS WIFE'S MURDER BEHIND HIM, 192 00:12:04,533 --> 00:12:06,467 THE WHOLE THING WOULD HAVE BEEN 193 00:12:06,467 --> 00:12:09,667 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 194 00:12:09,667 --> 00:12:12,867 ( dramatic music playing ) 195 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:21,834 BBC narrator: ROMAN POLANSKI IS 32. 196 00:12:21,834 --> 00:12:24,233 HE HAS JUST COMPLETED HIS FOURTH FEATURE FILM, 197 00:12:24,233 --> 00:12:26,033 "THE VAMPIRE KILLERS," 198 00:12:26,033 --> 00:12:28,633 SET IN THE SNOW-COVERED MOUNTAINS OF TRANSYLVANIA. 199 00:12:28,633 --> 00:12:30,600 HE BOTH DIRECTS 200 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,100 AND PLAYS ONE OF THE LEADING PARTS. 201 00:12:43,967 --> 00:12:46,600 Man: HOLD IT, BOYS. 202 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,266 Polanski: SHARON, SHARON. 203 00:12:50,266 --> 00:12:53,166 LOOKING AT HIM, NOT AT ME. 204 00:12:53,166 --> 00:12:55,433 OKAY? YEAH. 205 00:12:55,433 --> 00:12:56,967 YOU KNOW WHERE. 206 00:12:56,967 --> 00:12:58,667 YEAH. 207 00:13:01,333 --> 00:13:03,266 BBC narrator: ROMAN POLANSKI WAS BORN IN FRANCE 208 00:13:03,266 --> 00:13:06,200 OF POLISH PARENTS. THEY LEFT THERE WHEN HE WAS THREE 209 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,133 AND WENT TO LIVE IN POLAND. 210 00:13:08,133 --> 00:13:12,533 I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I'M A NOMAD, YOU KNOW? 211 00:13:12,533 --> 00:13:15,934 BUT I-- 212 00:13:15,934 --> 00:13:18,100 I'M REALLY STRONGLY ATTACHED 213 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:21,734 TO POLISH BACKGROUND. I'VE GROWN UP IN POLAND. 214 00:13:21,734 --> 00:13:26,266 MY MOTHER WAS KILLED BY GERMANS VERY SOON 215 00:13:26,266 --> 00:13:29,800 AND MY FATHER WAS TAKEN TO THE CONCENTRATION CAMP 216 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,467 AFTER TWO YEARS OF WAR. AND THEN I WAS BY MYSELF. 217 00:13:33,467 --> 00:13:36,200 ONE OF THE FIRST FILMS I'VE SEEN 218 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,900 WAS "SNOW WHITE," YOU KNOW? 219 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:42,000 AND I THINK IT INFLUENCED ME 220 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,433 ENORMOUSLY FOREVER. 221 00:13:44,433 --> 00:13:48,233 AND AS YOU SEE, IT'S AN ENORMOUS 222 00:13:48,233 --> 00:13:50,800 INFLUENCE IN MY WORK 223 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,433 LIKE "REPULSION" AND "CUL-DE-SAC." 224 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,233 I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A DIRECTOR. 225 00:14:00,233 --> 00:14:02,500 I KNEW I WANTED TO MAKE MOVIES. 226 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:04,567 I KNEW I WANTED TO BE A PART OF IT. 227 00:14:04,567 --> 00:14:07,567 I KNEW I WANTED TO CREATE THIS. 228 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:12,867 AN AMERICAN PRODUCER OF POLISH ORIGIN 229 00:14:12,867 --> 00:14:14,867 SUGGESTED THAT I COME TO LONDON 230 00:14:14,867 --> 00:14:17,667 AND MAKE A FILM THERE. 231 00:14:17,667 --> 00:14:20,533 LONDON WAS FABULOUS. 232 00:14:20,533 --> 00:14:22,367 YOU CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT IT MEANT 233 00:14:22,367 --> 00:14:24,433 FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVED 234 00:14:24,433 --> 00:14:26,300 IN THE GREY, DRAB 235 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:28,433 COMMUNIST REALITY. 236 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,633 Braunsberg: IT WAS A VERY CIVILIZED WAY OF LIVING, 237 00:14:34,633 --> 00:14:39,166 ROOMS ALWAYS FULL OF FRIENDLY FACES. 238 00:14:39,166 --> 00:14:41,166 YOU SAW YOUR FRIENDS EVERY DAY 239 00:14:41,166 --> 00:14:44,867 AND THERE WERE LOTS OF THEM-- 240 00:14:44,867 --> 00:14:48,600 LIFE WITHOUT LIMITS. 241 00:14:54,567 --> 00:14:56,834 I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM A FRIEND OF OURS, 242 00:14:56,834 --> 00:15:00,266 A MUTUAL FRIEND WHO WAS A FILM PRODUCER. 243 00:15:00,266 --> 00:15:01,967 AND HE SAID, "I'VE GOT THIS FRIEND 244 00:15:01,967 --> 00:15:03,900 WHO'S COMING TO LONDON 245 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:05,800 AND HE DOESN'T SPEAK ANY ENGLISH. 246 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,767 CAN YOU TAKE CARE OF HIM?" 247 00:15:08,767 --> 00:15:11,533 I SAID, "SURE, SEND HIM ROUND." 248 00:15:11,533 --> 00:15:14,266 ROMAN WAS TOTALLY EXCEPTIONAL. 249 00:15:14,266 --> 00:15:17,500 I WAS REALLY DRAWN TO HIM, AND SO WAS EVERYBODY ELSE. 250 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:20,066 ALREADY AN ESTABLISHED FILM DIRECTOR-- 251 00:15:20,066 --> 00:15:22,033 NO ONE IN LONDON HAD HEARD OF HIM. 252 00:15:22,033 --> 00:15:25,367 FEW PEOPLE HAD SEEN HIS FILMS. 253 00:15:25,367 --> 00:15:28,767 Polanski: YES YES YES. 254 00:15:28,767 --> 00:15:30,734 GO, GO AGAIN. 255 00:15:30,734 --> 00:15:32,400 ( chuckles ) 256 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,033 ( both speak French ) 257 00:15:36,033 --> 00:15:38,266 ( laughs ) THAT WAS FUNNY. 258 00:15:38,266 --> 00:15:40,867 Braunsberg: FROM COMING AS A COMPLETE UNKNOWN, 259 00:15:40,867 --> 00:15:42,667 I WOULD SAY WITHIN SIX MONTHS 260 00:15:42,667 --> 00:15:44,867 EVERYBODY KNEW HIM. 261 00:15:51,633 --> 00:15:54,633 HE WAS A CHARISMATIC FELLOW. 262 00:15:54,633 --> 00:15:56,900 THERE ARE VERY FEW DIRECTORS 263 00:15:56,900 --> 00:15:59,233 WHO HAVE ROMAN'S PERSONALITY 264 00:15:59,233 --> 00:16:02,567 AND ALSO HIS APPETITE FOR LIFE-- 265 00:16:02,567 --> 00:16:05,333 HIS APPETITE FOR LIFE. 266 00:16:14,066 --> 00:16:18,000 THEY MET IN LONDON 267 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,133 BECAUSE OF A FILM THAT HE MADE 268 00:16:20,133 --> 00:16:22,567 CALLED "THE DANCE OF THE VAMPIRES." 269 00:16:25,033 --> 00:16:29,200 SHE WAS A REMARKABLE PERSON-- 270 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,166 BEAUTIFUL, GENTLE, 271 00:16:33,166 --> 00:16:35,066 UNSOPHISTICATED 272 00:16:35,066 --> 00:16:38,734 IN THE BEST SENSE OF THE WORD, 273 00:16:38,734 --> 00:16:41,867 REALLY A GENUINE HUMAN BEING. 274 00:16:41,867 --> 00:16:44,200 THEY WERE GREAT TOGETHER 275 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,967 AND OF COURSE IT CREATED THIS FANTASTIC LOVE AFFAIR. 276 00:16:48,967 --> 00:16:51,500 AND IT TRULY WAS A LOVE AFFAIR. 277 00:17:34,934 --> 00:17:37,567 Polanski: LOOK, IT ALL STARTED SO LONG AGO. 278 00:17:37,567 --> 00:17:40,433 MY REAL PROBLEMS STARTED THEN, 279 00:17:40,433 --> 00:17:43,633 WITH THE MURDER OF SHARON TATE. 280 00:17:43,633 --> 00:17:46,233 I WAS ALL RIGHT WITH THE PRESS 281 00:17:46,233 --> 00:17:48,500 BEFORE THAT. 282 00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:53,166 THEY-- THEY WOULDN'T LET IT GO. 283 00:17:53,166 --> 00:17:56,100 SO IT'S JUST THE STORY THAT WILL NEVER GO. 284 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,567 - FORGIVE ME? - Man: WHY DID YOU WANT A GAG ORDER? 285 00:18:06,567 --> 00:18:08,667 WE DIDN'T ASK FOR A GAG ORDER. 286 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:11,767 Woman: WHO DID, MR. DALTON? 287 00:18:11,767 --> 00:18:13,400 NO ONE ASKED FOR A GAG ORDER. 288 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,400 THEN WHY DID THE JUDGE BRING IT UP AT THIS STAGE? 289 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,100 WELL, MAYBE THE JUDGE CAN ANSWER THAT. 290 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:20,400 THE TOPIC OF PUBLICITY WAS DISCUSSED 291 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,066 AND CERTAIN MEASURES WERE DISCUSSED 292 00:18:23,066 --> 00:18:26,500 TO TRY TO CONTROL THE PUBLICITY, 293 00:18:26,500 --> 00:18:29,767 BUT NO ONE ASKED FOR A GAG ORDER AS SUCH. 294 00:18:29,767 --> 00:18:32,133 Man THERE WAS AN HOUR-LONG DISCUSSION IN THE CHAMBERS. 295 00:18:32,133 --> 00:18:35,767 DID THAT DEAL PRINCIPALLY WITH PUBLICITY PROBLEMS? 296 00:18:35,767 --> 00:18:38,066 YES, A GREAT PART OF IT DID. 297 00:18:38,066 --> 00:18:40,133 Man WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE PROBLEMS 298 00:18:40,133 --> 00:18:42,300 WITH PUBLICITY RIGHT NOW? 299 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:43,967 WELL, THE PROBLEM WITH PUBLICITY IS 300 00:18:43,967 --> 00:18:45,567 THERE'S BEEN TOO MUCH OF IT. 301 00:18:45,567 --> 00:18:47,900 AND OF COURSE FOR ME TO GO ON TELEVISION 302 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:51,133 AND COMPLAIN ABOUT PUBLICITY IS A LITTLE INCONSISTENT. 303 00:18:51,133 --> 00:18:53,367 - ( reporters laughing ) - EXCUSE ME. 304 00:19:05,500 --> 00:19:07,900 Douglas Dalton: I'VE NEVER SPOKEN PUBLICLY 305 00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:09,633 ABOUT THIS CASE BEFORE. 306 00:19:09,633 --> 00:19:12,333 BUT IF THE STORY IS TO BE TOLD, 307 00:19:12,333 --> 00:19:14,734 I WANT IT TO BE TOLD FACTUALLY. 308 00:19:14,734 --> 00:19:17,100 I KNOW THE FACTS. I WAS THERE. 309 00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:19,233 CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR REACTION 310 00:19:19,233 --> 00:19:21,133 TO THE DELAY OF THE START OF THE TRIAL? 311 00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:22,867 - MY REACTION TO IT? - YEAH. 312 00:19:22,867 --> 00:19:24,667 WELL, I'M PLEASED. 313 00:19:24,667 --> 00:19:26,266 IN WHAT WAY? 314 00:19:26,266 --> 00:19:27,934 WELL, THERE'S A GOOD DEAL OF WORK-UP 315 00:19:27,934 --> 00:19:29,767 THAT GOES INTO ANY MAJOR CASE... 316 00:19:29,767 --> 00:19:31,400 Dalton: PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT 317 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,367 TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, 318 00:19:33,367 --> 00:19:35,700 BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEIR OWN FACTS. 319 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:38,066 THE FACT OF POLANSKI 320 00:19:38,066 --> 00:19:40,000 LEAVING THE COUNTRY AND SO FORTH 321 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,633 SEEMS TO HAVE ECLIPSED 322 00:19:41,633 --> 00:19:44,000 THE REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS CASE 323 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,033 ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO THE SYSTEM OF JUSTICE. 324 00:19:48,033 --> 00:19:50,467 I REMAIN ASTOUNDED 325 00:19:50,467 --> 00:19:52,800 AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. 326 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,200 THIS CASE WILL NEVER LEAVE ME. 327 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:00,433 Brenneman: DEFENSE ATTORNEY DOUG DALTON 328 00:20:00,433 --> 00:20:03,533 HAD A VERY LINCOLNESQUE QUALITY ABOUT HIM, 329 00:20:03,533 --> 00:20:05,300 DIGNIFIED, 330 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:07,567 NOT GIVEN TO FLAMBOYANT GESTURES. 331 00:20:07,567 --> 00:20:10,333 HE DOESN'T RAISE HIS VOICE IN THE COURTROOM. 332 00:20:10,333 --> 00:20:14,133 HE MAINTAINS THIS CALM DEMEANOR. 333 00:20:14,133 --> 00:20:18,033 AND HE WAS THE MASTER OF NEGOTIATIONS. 334 00:20:18,033 --> 00:20:20,433 THE FACT THAT DOUG DALTON WAS THE ATTORNEY 335 00:20:20,433 --> 00:20:24,100 INDICATED TO ME THAT THERE WOULD BE 336 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:26,266 A NEGOTIATED PLEA ARRIVED AT 337 00:20:26,266 --> 00:20:28,166 BETWEEN THE PROSECUTION, 338 00:20:28,166 --> 00:20:30,266 THE DEFENSE AND THE JUDGE. 339 00:20:32,166 --> 00:20:34,867 Clause Preute: DOUGLAS DALTON WAS A FIRST-CLASS LAWYER 340 00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:37,233 BUT HE WAS DEFINITELY MATCHED 341 00:20:37,233 --> 00:20:39,667 BY ROGER GUNSON. 342 00:20:39,667 --> 00:20:42,266 THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE 343 00:20:42,266 --> 00:20:44,233 PUT GUNSON ON THE CASE-- 344 00:20:44,233 --> 00:20:46,834 A 37-YEAR-OLD, 345 00:20:46,834 --> 00:20:49,300 VERY STRAIGHT-THINKING MORMON. 346 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:52,200 WE ARE CONCERNED WITH PROTECTING 347 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,967 THE PRIVACY OF THE GIRL-- 348 00:20:53,967 --> 00:20:55,900 THE COMPLAINING WITNESS IN THIS CASE-- 349 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:59,333 AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN 350 00:20:59,333 --> 00:21:01,600 FOREIGN REPORTERS AND INVESTIGATORS 351 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,767 WHO HAVE ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT HER AND HAVE INTERVIEWS... 352 00:21:05,767 --> 00:21:09,033 Brenneman: GUNSON WAS THE MODEL OF RECTITUDE. 353 00:21:09,033 --> 00:21:11,500 HE HAD THAT SAME KIND OF 354 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:13,767 HANDSOME-SCHOOLBOY, 355 00:21:13,767 --> 00:21:18,433 SPARKLING GOOD LOOKS AS ROBERT REDFORD. 356 00:21:18,433 --> 00:21:21,734 THE RUMOR IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS 357 00:21:21,734 --> 00:21:26,100 THAT THEY PICKED GUNSON TO HANDLE THE CASE 358 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:28,133 BECAUSE HE WAS A MORMON 359 00:21:28,133 --> 00:21:30,767 AND BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONLY MEMBER OF THE D.A.'S OFFICE 360 00:21:30,767 --> 00:21:33,500 WHO HADN'T HAD SEX WITH AN UNDERAGE GIRL. 361 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:37,033 I HEARD SOME JOKES ABOUT WHY THEY GAVE IT TO ME, 362 00:21:37,033 --> 00:21:39,700 BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THOSE ARE ACCURATE. 363 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:42,166 THERE WERE A LOT OF PROSECUTORS 364 00:21:42,166 --> 00:21:44,700 WHO HAD AN INTEREST IN HIGH-PUBLICITY CASES. 365 00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:48,400 ALTHOUGH I HAD HAD ONE VERY HIGH PUBLICITY CASE, 366 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,500 I WAS NOT ONE THAT LOOKED FOR THEM. 367 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:54,033 THEY WERE THE PERFECT ATTORNEYS 368 00:21:54,033 --> 00:21:55,967 TO HANDLE A CASE LIKE THIS 369 00:21:55,967 --> 00:21:58,700 WHERE THE EVIDENCE AND THE PLAYERS 370 00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:00,600 WERE SENSATIONAL, 371 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,834 WERE DRAMATIC, FLAMBOYANT. 372 00:22:02,834 --> 00:22:04,867 SO YOU WANT TWO ATTORNEYS 373 00:22:04,867 --> 00:22:07,533 WHO KEPT AN EVEN KEEL. 374 00:22:07,533 --> 00:22:09,533 THEY WERE IN THAT REGARD 375 00:22:09,533 --> 00:22:11,500 VERY STRIKINGLY DIFFERENT 376 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:13,533 FROM THE JUDGE IN THE CASE. 377 00:22:15,266 --> 00:22:17,033 Roger Gunson: WHEN THE GRAND JURY 378 00:22:17,033 --> 00:22:18,934 CAME BACK WITH THE INDICTMENT, 379 00:22:18,934 --> 00:22:22,266 JUDGE RITTENBAND, WHO WAS VERY INTERESTED 380 00:22:22,266 --> 00:22:24,500 IN HANDLING CELEBRITY CASES 381 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:26,433 OBVIOUSLY SAW IT 382 00:22:26,433 --> 00:22:28,367 AND REALIZED THAT HE WANTED IT 383 00:22:28,367 --> 00:22:30,834 AND WENT TO THE PRESIDING JUDGE 384 00:22:30,834 --> 00:22:32,700 AND SAID, "HEY, I WANT THIS CASE." 385 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:35,633 HE WAS OF COURSE THE SENIOR JUDGE IN SANTA MONICA, 386 00:22:35,633 --> 00:22:38,266 WHICH WAS THE CHOICE LOCATION FOR ANY JUDGE 387 00:22:38,266 --> 00:22:40,100 BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU GET 388 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:42,033 A LOT OF THESE HIGH-PUBLICITY CASES. 389 00:22:42,033 --> 00:22:44,633 JUDGE RITTENBAND HAD HANDLED 390 00:22:44,633 --> 00:22:47,000 A CARY GRANT PATERNITY SUIT. 391 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,300 HE HAD HANDLED, WELL, 392 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:53,200 THE PRISCILLA AND ELVIS DIVORCE, 393 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,867 THE MARLON BRANDO CUSTODY SUIT 394 00:22:55,867 --> 00:22:58,233 THAT WENT ON FOREVER. 395 00:22:58,233 --> 00:23:00,867 THERE WERE QUITE A FEW. 396 00:23:00,867 --> 00:23:03,300 I SPOKE TO JUDGE RITTENBAND 397 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:05,266 VERY FREQUENTLY. 398 00:23:05,266 --> 00:23:08,433 AND HE LIKED 399 00:23:08,433 --> 00:23:10,633 BEING AMONG THE STARS 400 00:23:10,633 --> 00:23:13,166 BUT I DON'T THINK HE WAS STARSTRUCK. 401 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,000 Brenneman: RITTENBAND LOVED THE PRESS, 402 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,033 ALWAYS HAD COMMENTS FOR THE PRESS. 403 00:23:31,033 --> 00:23:33,300 HE WANTED TO SHAPE 404 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:37,300 THE WAY THE PRESS COVERED HIM. 405 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:39,533 SITTING UP THERE ON THE BENCH, 406 00:23:39,533 --> 00:23:41,367 HE ACTED LIKE A DIRECTOR, 407 00:23:41,367 --> 00:23:43,667 A TYRANNICAL DIRECTOR CALLING THE SHOTS, 408 00:23:43,667 --> 00:23:45,900 TELLING PEOPLE WHEN TO MAKE THEIR ENTRANCES, 409 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:48,767 WHAT TO SAY, WHERE TO POSITION THEMSELVES. 410 00:23:48,767 --> 00:23:51,367 WELL, WE MISSPOKE OURSELVES, YOUR HONOR. 411 00:23:51,367 --> 00:23:54,100 THERE'S OBVIOUSLY OTHER BASIS FOR THE MOTION. 412 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:55,867 YES, WE DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE. 413 00:23:55,867 --> 00:23:57,900 Brenneman: THERE WERE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES 414 00:23:57,900 --> 00:24:00,934 BETWEEN JUDGE RITTENBAND AND ROMAN POLANSKI. 415 00:24:00,934 --> 00:24:02,900 ( laughs ) 416 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:04,633 NOT TOO TALL IN STATURE. 417 00:24:04,633 --> 00:24:07,033 HE LIKED THE LADIES AND HE LOVED TO DANCE. 418 00:24:07,033 --> 00:24:09,500 HE HAD HIS FRIENDS IN THE MOVIE INDUSTRY 419 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:11,200 WHICH HE'D SEE EVERY DAY 420 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,000 AT THE HILLCREST COUNTRY CLUB. 421 00:24:15,867 --> 00:24:17,700 Marlene Roden: WHEN I FIRST MET HIM 422 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:19,734 I WAS ANSWERING PHONES. AND HE USED TO SAY 423 00:24:19,734 --> 00:24:21,734 "I'M GOING TO HILLCREST. I'M GOING TO HILLCREST." 424 00:24:21,734 --> 00:24:23,767 AND FINALLY I STOP AND I SAYS, 425 00:24:23,767 --> 00:24:25,767 "WHAT IS GOING ON AT HILLCREST?" 426 00:24:25,767 --> 00:24:27,734 YOU KNOW, "IS YOUR WIFE THERE?" 427 00:24:27,734 --> 00:24:29,834 BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS MARRIED OR NOT. 428 00:24:29,834 --> 00:24:31,834 AND HE SAID, "OH, I'M NOT MARRIED." 429 00:24:31,834 --> 00:24:35,100 AND I SAID, "OH, OKAY." 430 00:24:37,467 --> 00:24:40,266 I WAS 20 YEARS OLD. 431 00:24:40,266 --> 00:24:42,000 HE WAS 34 YEARS OLDER. 432 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,100 HE WAS 54 WHEN I MET HIM. 433 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:48,233 AND WE BECAME FRIENDS. 434 00:24:48,233 --> 00:24:50,166 Madeline Bessmer: OH, GOLLY, 435 00:24:50,166 --> 00:24:52,166 PRACTICALLY EVERY EVENING HE'D COME HERE 436 00:24:52,166 --> 00:24:54,767 AND HE'D SIT OVER IN THAT CHAIR. 437 00:24:54,767 --> 00:24:57,133 AND HE LOVED CHAMPAGNE. 438 00:24:57,133 --> 00:25:01,500 SO I'D GET CHAMPAGNE BY THE CASE. ( laughs ) 439 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,333 Wells: "JUDGE RITTENBAND," I SAID, 440 00:25:03,333 --> 00:25:05,433 "WHAT WOULD YOU AT YOUR AGE DO WITH A GIRLFRIEND?" 441 00:25:05,433 --> 00:25:07,400 HE SAID, "I'D DO THE SAME THING THAT YOU DID 442 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,734 AND PROBABLY BETTER." 443 00:25:08,734 --> 00:25:10,300 AND I SAID, "TELL ME ABOUT IT." 444 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:11,734 HE SAID, "I GOT ONE THAT COOKS 445 00:25:11,734 --> 00:25:14,000 AND ONE THAT DOES THE OTHER THINGS." 446 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,100 RITTENBAND WAS KNOWN AS A HAMMER. 447 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:26,333 THAT MEANS THAT HE WAS A TOUGH JUDGE 448 00:25:26,333 --> 00:25:27,700 AND A TOUGH SENTENCER. 449 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:29,633 IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE A DEAL 450 00:25:29,633 --> 00:25:31,633 AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE DEAL IN PLACE 451 00:25:31,633 --> 00:25:33,667 WHEN YOU WENT IN THERE, 452 00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:36,367 YOU WERE IN TROUBLE. 453 00:25:38,166 --> 00:25:40,166 I DON'T REMEMBER ANY JUDGE 454 00:25:40,166 --> 00:25:42,033 THAT LIKED PUBLICITY LIKE RITTENBAND DID. 455 00:25:42,033 --> 00:25:45,900 HE HAD HIS BAILIFF MAINTAIN A SCRAPBOOK 456 00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:47,633 THAT WENT BACK MANY YEARS 457 00:25:47,633 --> 00:25:49,367 AND IF AN ARTICLE APPEARED ANYWHERE 458 00:25:49,367 --> 00:25:51,667 ABOUT SOMETHING INVOLVING LAWRENCE J. RITTENBAND 459 00:25:51,667 --> 00:25:53,834 IT WOUND UP IN THE SCRAPBOOK. 460 00:25:53,834 --> 00:25:55,967 IT WAS KEPT SOMEWHERE IN THE COURT, 461 00:25:55,967 --> 00:25:57,867 I THINK IN THE BAILIFF'S DESK, 462 00:25:57,867 --> 00:25:59,900 AND ON OCCASION 463 00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:02,200 WOULD COME OUT-- AND BE DISPLAYED. 464 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,867 Gunson: JUDGE RITTENBAND WAS RECEIVING REQUESTS 465 00:26:05,867 --> 00:26:07,767 FROM PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD, 466 00:26:07,767 --> 00:26:09,467 FROM NEWS AGENCIES 467 00:26:09,467 --> 00:26:11,400 WANTING ONE OF THE SEATS IN HIS COURTROOM. 468 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,300 HE WAS SOLICITING RESERVATIONS 469 00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:17,100 FOR EACH ONE OF THESE CHAIRS. 470 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:21,100 SO IT WAS GOING TO BE A REAL CIRCUS. 471 00:27:00,266 --> 00:27:02,934 Man: IF YOU GENTLEMEN WOULD JUST STAND STILL, 472 00:27:02,934 --> 00:27:04,700 MR. POLANSKI WILL STAY HERE 473 00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,200 AND YOU CAN GET YOUR SHOT. 474 00:28:06,033 --> 00:28:08,934 BECAUSE ANOTHER TRIAL IN THE SAME COURTROOM 475 00:28:08,934 --> 00:28:10,900 IS TAKING MUCH LONGER THAN EXPECTED, 476 00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:13,100 THE RAPE TRIAL OF ROMAN POLANSKI 477 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,233 HAS BEEN DELAYED UNTIL AUGUST 9th, 478 00:28:15,233 --> 00:28:17,266 EXACTLY EIGHT YEARS TO THE DAY 479 00:28:17,266 --> 00:28:19,333 HIS LATE WIFE, ACTRESS SHARON TATE, 480 00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:22,066 WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED. 481 00:28:24,033 --> 00:28:27,934 Brenneman: AT THAT TIME RAPE VICTIMS' NAMES 482 00:28:27,934 --> 00:28:29,900 DIDN'T GET REPORTED IN THE PRESS, 483 00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:31,433 MUCH LESS THE NAMES OF MINORS 484 00:28:31,433 --> 00:28:33,400 WHO WERE INVOLVED IN SEX CASES. 485 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,633 BUT WITH THE EUROPEAN PRESS THERE, 486 00:28:35,633 --> 00:28:37,266 HER NAME WOULD COME OUT, 487 00:28:37,266 --> 00:28:40,166 EXPOSED IN THE PRESS, HER BACKGROUND EXPOSED. 488 00:28:40,166 --> 00:28:42,567 THE FACT THAT SHE HAD HAD A PRIOR RELATIONSHIP, 489 00:28:42,567 --> 00:28:44,633 THAT SHE HAD TAKEN QUAALUDES BEFORE-- 490 00:28:44,633 --> 00:28:46,667 ALL OF THIS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN OUT 491 00:28:46,667 --> 00:28:49,300 AND WOULD HAVE FOREVER HAUNTED HER. 492 00:28:51,834 --> 00:28:54,934 ONCE WE KNEW HER NAME, 493 00:28:54,934 --> 00:28:58,433 WE KNEW WHERE HER SCHOOL WAS, 494 00:28:58,433 --> 00:29:02,533 WE KNEW WHERE HER HOUSE WAS. 495 00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:05,867 THE FRENCH COMPETITION WERE AFTER THIS GIRL. 496 00:29:05,867 --> 00:29:08,533 THEY WERE HUNTING THIS GIRL. 497 00:29:15,066 --> 00:29:17,767 Samantha Gailey Geimer: IT WAS AWFUL. 498 00:29:17,767 --> 00:29:20,367 EVERYBODY KNEW AT SCHOOL. 499 00:29:20,367 --> 00:29:22,967 PEOPLE CAME TO SCHOOL WITH CAMERAS 500 00:29:22,967 --> 00:29:27,467 AND THINGS WERE BEING SAID AND PRINTED. 501 00:29:27,467 --> 00:29:29,500 THE WORST PART WAS, 502 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:31,266 NO ONE BELIEVED ME. 503 00:29:31,266 --> 00:29:33,667 EVERYBODY THOUGHT I WAS MAKING IT UP. 504 00:29:33,667 --> 00:29:35,533 IT WAS SO TRAUMATIC, 505 00:29:35,533 --> 00:29:37,900 STARTING THAT NIGHT WHEN MY MOM CALLED THE POLICE. 506 00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:39,967 AND THE POLICE COME OVER AND THEY TAKE YOU TO THE HOSPITAL, 507 00:29:39,967 --> 00:29:41,800 THEN THEY TAKE YOU TO THE POLICE STATION. 508 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,467 AND THE NEXT MORNING WE'RE GETTING UP AT 6:30, WE'RE GOING TO COURT 509 00:29:44,467 --> 00:29:46,767 WHERE THEY'RE GONNA SNEAK YOU IN AND ALL THESE MEN 510 00:29:46,767 --> 00:29:49,400 ARE GONNA ASK YOU EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. 511 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,266 THEN THEY'RE GONNA 512 00:29:51,266 --> 00:29:53,400 SIT A LADY BEHIND YOU YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE, 513 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,700 BECAUSE THEN THERE'S A LADY THERE. 514 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,200 ALL THAT STUFF WAS SO TRAUMATIC 515 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,333 THAT I NEVER EVEN HAD A CHANCE 516 00:30:57,333 --> 00:30:59,500 TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, 517 00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:01,433 WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 518 00:31:01,433 --> 00:31:03,500 WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT WITH HIM. 519 00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:05,533 IT WAS LIKE-- 520 00:31:05,533 --> 00:31:07,934 IT JUST-- 521 00:31:07,934 --> 00:31:11,567 I HAD TO WORRY ABOUT SURVIVING THE NEXT DAY. 522 00:31:11,567 --> 00:31:15,066 THE FACTS INDICATE THAT BEFORE THE ALLEGED ACT 523 00:31:15,066 --> 00:31:16,700 IN THIS CASE 524 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,233 THIS GIRL HAD ENGAGED IN SEXUAL ACTIVITY. 525 00:31:19,233 --> 00:31:22,066 THAT'S CONTAINED IN REPORTS THAT WE NOW HAVE. 526 00:31:22,066 --> 00:31:24,734 WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. WE WANT TO KNOW WHO WAS INVOLVED WHEN. 527 00:31:24,734 --> 00:31:26,734 WE WANT TO KNOW WHY THESE OTHER PEOPLE 528 00:31:26,734 --> 00:31:28,233 WERE NOT PROSECUTED. 529 00:31:28,233 --> 00:31:30,033 AND THIS IS A THING WE WANT TO FULLY DEVELOP. 530 00:31:30,033 --> 00:31:32,033 Geimer: I WOULD JUST AS SOON 531 00:31:32,033 --> 00:31:34,133 HAVE WALKED AWAY FROM IT THE NEXT DAY. 532 00:31:34,133 --> 00:31:38,066 BUT YOU CAN'T STOP IT ONCE IT STARTS. 533 00:31:38,066 --> 00:31:40,900 I MEAN, 534 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,633 I JUST-- 535 00:31:43,633 --> 00:31:46,166 I JUST WENT IN MY ROOM, 536 00:31:46,166 --> 00:31:49,633 PRETTY MUCH, AND JUST TURNED IT OFF. 537 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:52,667 Announcer: IN "CHINATOWN," 538 00:31:52,667 --> 00:31:55,033 HE EXPOSED THE DARK SIDE OF CORRUPTION. 539 00:31:55,033 --> 00:31:58,934 IN "REPULSION," HE EXPLORED A WARPED MIND. 540 00:31:58,934 --> 00:32:00,734 IN "ROSEMARY'S BABY," 541 00:32:00,734 --> 00:32:02,633 HE EXAMINED THE OCCULT. 542 00:32:02,633 --> 00:32:05,533 NOW SOMETHING ALTOGETHER NEW, 543 00:32:05,533 --> 00:32:07,433 ALTOGETHER CHILLING-- 544 00:32:07,433 --> 00:32:11,567 NO ONE DOES IT TO YOU LIKE ROMAN POLANSKI. 545 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,600 Gunson: I WANTED TO FIND MORE OUT 546 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,667 ABOUT MR. POLANSKI. 547 00:32:18,667 --> 00:32:21,100 AND LUCK HAVE IT, 548 00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:23,734 THE NUART THEATRE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET 549 00:32:23,734 --> 00:32:25,467 ON SANTA MONICA BOULEVARD 550 00:32:25,467 --> 00:32:27,333 HAD A POLANSKI FILM FESTIVAL 551 00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:29,433 RIGHT AFTER THE INDICTMENT 552 00:32:29,433 --> 00:32:31,400 AND BEFORE TRIAL. 553 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,934 Macbeth: MURDER AND TREASON! 554 00:32:33,934 --> 00:32:35,800 Rosemary: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ITS EYES? 555 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,200 ( woman screaming ) 556 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,100 FORGET IT, JAKE. IT'S CHINATOWN. 557 00:32:44,233 --> 00:32:47,066 Gunson: EVERY ROMAN POLANSKI MOVIE 558 00:32:47,066 --> 00:32:49,033 HAS THE THEME-- 559 00:32:49,033 --> 00:32:53,400 CORRUPTION MEETING INNOCENCE OVER WATER. 560 00:32:54,934 --> 00:32:56,533 ( laughs ) 561 00:32:56,533 --> 00:32:59,300 I SAYS, "OH, WELL, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE-- 562 00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:01,800 CORRUPTION, ROMAN POLANSKI, 563 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,900 MEETING INNOCENCE, THE 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL, 564 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,433 OVER WATER, MEANING THE JACUZZI. 565 00:33:09,266 --> 00:33:11,567 I FELT I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE 566 00:33:11,567 --> 00:33:14,200 TO PRETTY WELL CONVEY TO SOME JURORS 567 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,600 THAT THIS HAPPENED 568 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,900 AND HE HAD DIRECTED A SCENE 569 00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:22,266 VERY SIMILAR TO THIS IN HIS REAL LIFE. 570 00:33:22,266 --> 00:33:25,166 Woman: YOU'D BETTER HAVE YOUR LEGS TIED DOWN 571 00:33:25,166 --> 00:33:27,567 IN CASE OF CONVULSIONS. 572 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,834 Braunsberg: "ROSEMARY'S BABY" WAS SUCH A GREAT MOVIE 573 00:33:34,834 --> 00:33:37,300 AND WAS SO WELL MADE 574 00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:39,667 THAT PEOPLE TOOK IT FOR THE REAL THING. 575 00:33:51,367 --> 00:33:55,367 THIS IS NO DREAM! THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING! 576 00:33:55,367 --> 00:34:00,333 AFTER THAT ROMAN HAD THIS REPUTATION 577 00:34:00,333 --> 00:34:02,533 OF MAYBE HAVING BEEN A LITTLE BIT 578 00:34:02,533 --> 00:34:04,667 IN LEAGUE WITH THE DEVIL HIMSELF. 579 00:34:07,533 --> 00:34:09,433 IT DIDN'T HURT HIM. 580 00:34:09,433 --> 00:34:11,400 PEOPLE WERE VERY INTRIGUED 581 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,400 AND IT WAS KIND OF SEXY IN A WAY. 582 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,500 Mia Farrow: HE HAD A TREMENDOUS POWER OVER PEOPLE. 583 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:20,834 YOU HAD TO FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM, YOU KNOW. 584 00:34:20,834 --> 00:34:22,467 IT WAS COMPLETELY INFECTIOUS. 585 00:34:22,467 --> 00:34:24,467 THERE WAS NO RESISTING HIM. 586 00:34:24,467 --> 00:34:26,500 AND EVERY DAY WAS SO VIBRANT 587 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:28,800 BECAUSE HE FELT SO PASSIONATELY 588 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,533 ABOUT WHAT HE WAS DOING 589 00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:33,700 AND HE WAS ON AN ADVENTURE. 590 00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:35,667 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE RENOWNED FOR 591 00:34:35,667 --> 00:34:38,467 IS YOUR RECKLESSNESS. YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE A RECKLESS PERSON. 592 00:34:38,467 --> 00:34:40,333 - DO I SAY THAT? - YOU SAY THAT VERY FREQUENTLY 593 00:34:40,333 --> 00:34:42,333 TO ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE YOU TALK TO, THOUGH CLEARLY 594 00:34:42,333 --> 00:34:44,867 YOU'RE GOING TO DENY EVERY SINGLE SYLLABLE OF IT TONIGHT. 595 00:34:44,867 --> 00:34:47,000 - REALLY? - MM. 596 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,567 I MEAN, ARE YOU A RECKLESS PERSON? 597 00:34:48,567 --> 00:34:50,300 ARE YOU AFRAID OF ANYTHING? 598 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:53,867 I AM RECKLESS, BUT I DON'T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT. 599 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,333 Male narrator: ROMAN FOUND CALIFORNIA FANTASTIC. 600 00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:06,867 OF LOS ANGELES HE SAYS... 601 00:35:06,867 --> 00:35:09,066 Polanski: EVERYTHING IS EASY HERE. 602 00:35:09,066 --> 00:35:13,000 YOU WANT TO LEARN KARATE-- YOU CAN LEARN KARATE. 603 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,867 YOU WANT TO PLAY CHESS-- YOU CAN PLAY CHESS. 604 00:35:15,867 --> 00:35:19,200 YOU WANT TO DRIVE RACING CARS-- 605 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,300 YOU CAN DRIVE RACING CARS. 606 00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:26,033 EVERYTHING IS ACCESSIBLE IN THIS TOWN. 607 00:35:43,867 --> 00:35:46,633 Hawk Koch: "ROSEMARY'S BABY" WAS A HUGE HIT. 608 00:35:46,633 --> 00:35:50,066 ROMAN WAS ON TOP OF THE WORLD. 609 00:35:50,066 --> 00:35:52,400 NOTHING COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER. 610 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,667 HE WAS IN LOVE WITH SHARON. THEY WERE HAVING GREAT PARTIES. 611 00:35:54,667 --> 00:35:56,133 HE WAS GOING ALL OVER THE WORLD. 612 00:35:56,133 --> 00:35:58,567 Melnick: WHEN HE WAS THE TOAST OF THE INDUSTRY, 613 00:35:58,567 --> 00:36:00,800 HE WAS HANGING OUT WITH ALL THE PEOPLE 614 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,300 THAT EVERYBODY WANTED TO HANG OUT WITH. 615 00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:05,367 EVERYBODY WANTED A PIECE OF ROMAN 616 00:36:05,367 --> 00:36:08,000 BECAUSE THE WORK WAS SO ORIGINAL. 617 00:36:10,266 --> 00:36:13,700 - ROMAN, SHARON. - HI. 618 00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:15,800 THIS IS THE VERY BEAUTIFUL SHARON TATE 619 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,500 WHO I AM SURE YOU'VE SEEN IN FILMS. 620 00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:19,834 AND HER HUSBAND, VERY TALENTED ROMAN POLANSKI, 621 00:36:19,834 --> 00:36:22,867 BEST KNOWN FOR HIS ORIGINAL FILM "KNIFE IN THE WATER," 622 00:36:22,867 --> 00:36:24,333 WHICH HE WROTE AND DIRECTED. 623 00:36:24,333 --> 00:36:26,533 AND HE'S ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR "ROSEMARY'S BABY," 624 00:36:26,533 --> 00:36:28,266 THE PICTURE. 625 00:36:28,266 --> 00:36:30,700 AND I THINK A LITTLE LATER WE'LL GET A CHANCE 626 00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:32,500 TO SIT DOWN AND TALK A LITTLE BIT 627 00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:34,800 - ABOUT SEX AND FILMS. - ANYTIME. 628 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,600 Farrow: CERTAINLY IT WAS A HAPPY TIME 629 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,033 FOR ALL OF US. 630 00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:43,000 ROMAN WAS HAPPY. 631 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,300 HE WAS WITH BEAUTIFUL SHARON. 632 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:47,867 EVERYONE LOVED HER. 633 00:36:47,867 --> 00:36:50,133 HE LOVED HER. I LOVED HER. 634 00:36:50,133 --> 00:36:52,300 WE ALL LOVED HER. 635 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,867 HE WAS SO INSECURE ABOUT SO MANY THINGS. 636 00:36:59,867 --> 00:37:01,834 KNOWING ABOUT HIS CHILDHOOD-- 637 00:37:01,834 --> 00:37:04,200 HE DIDN'T HAVE THE BLUEPRINT FOR LIFE 638 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,500 THAT OTHERS HAD. 639 00:37:08,467 --> 00:37:10,934 ONE HOPED FOR ROMAN, YOU KNOW, 640 00:37:10,934 --> 00:37:12,767 THAT THIS BRAND-NEW LIFE 641 00:37:12,767 --> 00:37:14,400 WITH A WOMAN WHO LOVED HIM 642 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,166 AND WHO SEEMED SO RIGHT FOR HIM, 643 00:37:17,166 --> 00:37:19,033 WITH A BABY, 644 00:37:19,033 --> 00:37:21,367 THAT THERE WOULD BE THIS SECURITY 645 00:37:21,367 --> 00:37:23,800 THAT HE HAD NOT HAD IN HIS LIFE, 646 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,166 AND IN A NEW HOMELAND. 647 00:37:26,166 --> 00:37:28,300 I MEAN, THE FUTURE WAS HIS, 648 00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:30,867 WE THOUGHT. 649 00:37:30,867 --> 00:37:34,200 AND THEN EVERYTHING JUST COLLAPSED. 650 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,834 Braunsberg: WELL, WE WERE PREPARING A FILM 651 00:37:40,834 --> 00:37:42,800 THAT I WAS GOING TO PRODUCE 652 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,600 CALLED "THE DAY OF THE DOLPHIN." 653 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,800 WE WERE WRITING THE SCRIPT IN LONDON. 654 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,300 ROMAN WAS A PERFECTIONIST. 655 00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:51,767 HE WAS ALWAYS, "WE'LL FINISH IT IN A COUPLE OF DAYS 656 00:37:51,767 --> 00:37:54,266 AND THEN DO THE REST IN L.A." 657 00:37:54,266 --> 00:37:56,400 IT WAS A SATURDAY. 658 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,333 AND THE PHONE RANG AND I PICKED IT UP. 659 00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:03,400 IT WAS OUR AGENT BILL TENNANT 660 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,166 WHO WAS ON THE PHONE. 661 00:38:05,166 --> 00:38:06,600 AND I IMMEDIATELY REALIZED 662 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,600 THAT SOMETHING WAS TERRIBLY WRONG. 663 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,400 I MEAN, HE WAS A VERY STABLE KIND OF GUY. 664 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,533 HE WAS ABSOLUTELY DISTRAUGHT. 665 00:38:16,533 --> 00:38:20,433 AND I SAID, "WHAT IS IT?" 666 00:38:20,433 --> 00:38:22,400 AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, 667 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,033 SOMETHING LIKE "THEY'RE ALL DEAD. THEY'RE ALL DEAD." 668 00:38:25,033 --> 00:38:28,633 I REALIZED SOMETHING AWFUL HAD HAPPENED 669 00:38:28,633 --> 00:38:31,400 AND I GAVE THE PHONE TO ROMAN. 670 00:38:33,767 --> 00:38:35,900 AND... 671 00:38:39,166 --> 00:38:41,700 I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. 672 00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:43,767 YOU KNOW, I SAW SOMEBODY 673 00:38:43,767 --> 00:38:47,567 JUST DISINTEGRATE IN FRONT OF MY EYES. 674 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,934 Reporter: THIS WAS AT THE HOME 675 00:39:02,934 --> 00:39:04,667 OF MOVIE DIRECTOR ROMAN POLANSKI 676 00:39:04,667 --> 00:39:07,500 AND IT WAS HIS WIFE SHARON TATE WHO WAS ONE OF THE VICTIMS. 677 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:09,834 SHE TOO HAD REPEATED STAB WOUNDS. 678 00:39:09,834 --> 00:39:12,667 ONE OF THE VICTIMS HAD A HOOD PLACED OVER HIS HEAD. 679 00:39:12,667 --> 00:39:16,300 AND THE WORD "PIG" WAS WRITTEN IN BLOOD ON THE DOOR. 680 00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:20,200 Braunsberg: WE FLEW TO L.A. THE NEXT DAY. 681 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,633 HE WAS DEVASTATED, 682 00:39:24,633 --> 00:39:26,400 DEVASTATED TO A POINT 683 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,767 THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING 684 00:39:28,767 --> 00:39:32,367 IN THAT KIND OF CONDITION. 685 00:39:37,633 --> 00:39:39,800 AND I REMEMBER 686 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,700 PICKING UP THE SUNDAY NEWSPAPERS. 687 00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:48,133 I WAS ALREADY REASONABLY AWARE 688 00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:52,066 OF HOW THE PRESS FUNCTIONS. 689 00:39:52,066 --> 00:39:56,200 THEIR BUSINESS IS SELLING NEWSPAPERS. 690 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,300 THE STORY WAS BASICALLY 691 00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:02,767 HOW ROMAN HAD FLOWN TO LOS ANGELES, 692 00:40:02,767 --> 00:40:05,233 MURDERED THEM ALL AND THEN COME BACK. 693 00:40:05,233 --> 00:40:07,266 I MEAN, THIS WAS ACTUALLY 694 00:40:07,266 --> 00:40:09,333 IN THE NEWSPAPERS, 695 00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:11,567 IN THE HEADLINES. 696 00:40:14,066 --> 00:40:17,600 THE NATURE OF THE MURDERS, 697 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,967 YOU KNOW, SATANISM, "ROSEMARY'S BABY," 698 00:40:19,967 --> 00:40:22,133 "THIS IS THE GUY WHO MADE 'ROSEMARY'S BABY.' 699 00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:24,233 HE KNEW SO MUCH ABOUT IT. HE COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN 700 00:40:24,233 --> 00:40:27,300 SO MUCH ABOUT IT WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING INVOLVED IN IT. 701 00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:30,066 AND SO HE MUST HAVE BEEN PART OF THE CULT. 702 00:40:30,066 --> 00:40:31,967 AND THERE WAS A CULT. AND THEY WERE MURDERED. 703 00:40:31,967 --> 00:40:34,000 AND WHO GETS MURDERED IN THIS KIND OF WAY?" 704 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,100 IT WAS A TYPICAL EXAMPLE 705 00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:38,367 OF THE VICTIM'S BEING RESPONSIBLE 706 00:40:38,367 --> 00:40:41,967 FOR THEIR OWN DEATH. 707 00:40:41,967 --> 00:40:43,934 IT WAS SHOCKING. 708 00:40:43,934 --> 00:40:46,133 IT WAS TRULY UNBELIEVABLE. 709 00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:50,233 THE LAST DAY I TALKED TO HER 710 00:40:50,233 --> 00:40:53,967 WAS A FEW HOURS BEFORE THE TRAGEDY HAPPENED. 711 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,166 YOU ARE CERTAINLY CURIOUS 712 00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:04,633 ABOUT MY RELATIONSHIP WITH SHARON 713 00:41:04,633 --> 00:41:09,333 WITHIN LAST FEW MONTHS. 714 00:41:10,967 --> 00:41:13,567 I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE LAST FEW MONTHS 715 00:41:13,567 --> 00:41:16,233 AS MUCH AS THE LAST FEW YEARS 716 00:41:16,233 --> 00:41:19,834 I SPENT WITH HER... 717 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,066 WERE THE ONLY TIME 718 00:41:27,066 --> 00:41:31,200 OF TRUE HAPPINESS IN MY LIFE. 719 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,300 AND FACTS WHICH WILL BE COMING OUT 720 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,533 DAY AFTER DAY 721 00:41:36,533 --> 00:41:39,467 WILL MAKE ASHAMED 722 00:41:39,467 --> 00:41:42,100 A LOT OF NEWSMEN 723 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:47,100 WHO FOR A SELFISH REASON 724 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,700 WRITE UNBEARABLE FOR ME, 725 00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:52,700 HORRIBLE THINGS 726 00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:55,600 ABOUT MY WIFE. 727 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,166 Braunsberg: AFTER SHARON WAS MURDERED 728 00:41:59,166 --> 00:42:01,800 REALLY EVERYBODY WAS TOTALLY FREAKED OUT. 729 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,400 IT WAS A VERY WEIRD TIME, 730 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,667 THE HIGHEST PARANOIA, 731 00:42:07,667 --> 00:42:09,934 THE TRANSITION 732 00:42:09,934 --> 00:42:14,633 OF THIS SORT OF HIPPIE KIND OF EXISTENCE IN L.A. 733 00:42:14,633 --> 00:42:20,500 TO THIS BRUTAL AWAKENING 734 00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:25,066 OF AN UNDERSTANDING 735 00:42:25,066 --> 00:42:27,066 THAT THESE KIND OF ABSOLUTELY 736 00:42:27,066 --> 00:42:30,367 HORRIBLE EVENTS CAN HAPPEN. 737 00:42:33,066 --> 00:42:35,066 NO ONE LOCKED THEIR DOORS. 738 00:42:35,066 --> 00:42:37,567 NO ONE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT THERE WAS 739 00:42:37,567 --> 00:42:39,967 ANY KIND OF THREAT. 740 00:42:39,967 --> 00:42:43,000 THAT ENDED AT THE END OF THE '60s 741 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,700 AND SIMULTANEOUSLY 742 00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:47,266 CHANGED EVERYTHING OVERNIGHT IN L.A. 743 00:42:53,834 --> 00:42:56,533 Gene Gutowski: IT WAS THE END OF A FAIRY TALE, REALLY, 744 00:42:56,533 --> 00:42:59,166 IN ROMAN'S LIFE, 745 00:42:59,166 --> 00:43:02,233 IN EVERYBODY'S LIFE. 746 00:43:02,233 --> 00:43:06,467 HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A FATHER OF A SON 747 00:43:06,467 --> 00:43:08,500 WHO WOULD HAVE NOW BEEN, 748 00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:10,166 WHAT, 30 YEARS OLD? 749 00:43:10,166 --> 00:43:12,834 MAYBE HE WOULD HAVE HAD OTHER CHILDREN, 750 00:43:12,834 --> 00:43:14,934 PROBABLY WOULD HAVE CONTINUED 751 00:43:14,934 --> 00:43:17,333 LIVING IN CALIFORNIA. 752 00:43:17,333 --> 00:43:20,934 WHO KNOWS? 753 00:43:20,934 --> 00:43:24,000 HOW DOES ONE SURVIVE? 754 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,166 WHEN YOU KNOW HIS CHILDHOOD-- 755 00:43:26,166 --> 00:43:29,400 HE'S A VERY VERY STRONG HUMAN BEING. 756 00:43:32,834 --> 00:43:34,967 Anthea Sylbert: I THINK THAT THE IDEA 757 00:43:34,967 --> 00:43:37,166 OF THE MAGNET OF TRAGEDY 758 00:43:37,166 --> 00:43:39,266 STARTED AFTER THE TATE MURDERS. 759 00:43:39,266 --> 00:43:41,166 HE WAS LIVING OUT IN MALIBU 760 00:43:41,166 --> 00:43:44,500 AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE ALL, LIKE, HORRIFIED 761 00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:47,533 BECAUSE SOMEHOW IF HE WAS IN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR 762 00:43:47,533 --> 00:43:50,033 THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANOTHER MASS MURDER. 763 00:43:50,033 --> 00:43:52,467 I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE JUST TOO WEIRD. 764 00:43:52,467 --> 00:43:55,300 I TELL YOU, IT'S CRAZY. 765 00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:06,266 Man: HOLD IT THERE, KITTY-CAT! HOLD IT. 766 00:44:12,133 --> 00:44:15,500 HELLO, CLAUDE. WHERE DID YOU GET THE MIDGET? 767 00:44:20,266 --> 00:44:22,633 YOU'RE A VERY NOSY FELLOW, KITTY-CAT. 768 00:44:22,633 --> 00:44:24,834 DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO NOSY FELLOWS? 769 00:44:24,834 --> 00:44:26,834 HUH? NO? 770 00:44:26,834 --> 00:44:29,333 WANNA GUESS? HUH? NO? 771 00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:32,700 OKAY, THEY LOSE THEIR NOSES. 772 00:44:36,333 --> 00:44:39,033 NEXT TIME YOU'LL LOSE THE WHOLE THING-- 773 00:44:39,033 --> 00:44:42,533 CUT IF OFF AND FEED IT TO MY GOLDFISH. 774 00:44:42,533 --> 00:44:44,567 Hawk Koch: ROMAN WAS DIFFERENT 775 00:44:44,567 --> 00:44:46,433 WHEN I MET HIM ON "CHINATOWN." 776 00:44:46,433 --> 00:44:48,100 HE WAS STILL A GUY THAT LOVED LIFE. 777 00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:50,133 THERE WAS JUST THIS REAL DARK SHADOW 778 00:44:50,133 --> 00:44:52,233 THAT HE HAD TO DEAL WITH EVERY DAY-- 779 00:44:52,233 --> 00:44:55,133 THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE CONSTANTLY, 780 00:44:55,133 --> 00:44:56,967 "SO WHAT WAS IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, 781 00:44:56,967 --> 00:45:00,100 WHEN SHARON-- WHEN YOUR WIFE WAS KILLED?" 782 00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:03,533 DO YOU HATE CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE PRESS 783 00:45:03,533 --> 00:45:05,800 FOR THE WAY YOU WERE TREATED 784 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,667 AFTER YOUR WIFE'S MURDER? 785 00:45:07,667 --> 00:45:12,300 WELL, YES, TO BE HONEST, I DO. 786 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:14,900 BUT I WOULDN'T CALL IT A HATRED NOW, YOU SEE. 787 00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:18,734 IT'S SOMEHOW EVOLVED TO JUST INDIFFERENCE. 788 00:45:18,734 --> 00:45:21,233 AND I SIMPLY DON'T READ IT AND TRY TO AVOID IT. 789 00:45:21,233 --> 00:45:22,433 YEAH. 790 00:45:22,433 --> 00:45:23,734 BUT IN GENERAL, 791 00:45:23,734 --> 00:45:26,033 I DESPISE THE PRESS TREMENDOUSLY 792 00:45:26,033 --> 00:45:29,700 FOR ITS INACCURACY, FOR ITS IRRESPONSIBILITY 793 00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:32,500 AND FOR ITS 794 00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:35,734 OFTEN EVEN DELIBERATE CRUELTY. 795 00:45:35,734 --> 00:45:38,233 AND ALL THIS IS FOR LUCRATIVE PURPOSES. 796 00:45:38,233 --> 00:45:40,367 Clive James: IF ONE OF YOUR COMPLAINTS 797 00:45:40,367 --> 00:45:42,033 IS THE WAY THE PRESS MISREPRESENTS YOU-- 798 00:45:42,033 --> 00:45:43,633 AND THAT IS ONE OF YOUR COMPLAINTS, ISN'T IT? 799 00:45:43,633 --> 00:45:45,500 THEN SURELY IT WOULD BE A GOOD TACTIC 800 00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:47,266 TO GIVE THEM THE MINIMUM POSSIBLE TARGET. 801 00:45:47,266 --> 00:45:49,533 YES, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO-- 802 00:45:49,533 --> 00:45:51,467 YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR LIFESTYLE 803 00:45:51,467 --> 00:45:53,900 COMPLETELY AND GO INTO HIDING. 804 00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:55,834 IT SEEMS LIKE, SAY, SIX MONTHS AFTER THE MURDERS 805 00:45:55,834 --> 00:45:58,500 YOU'RE IN THE ALPS AND CONSORTING 806 00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:01,000 WITH THESE GIRLS FROM THE FINISHING SCHOOL AND SO ON. 807 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,433 I CAN SEE HOW YOU WOULD SORT OF 808 00:46:03,433 --> 00:46:06,233 TRY TO LOSE YOURSELF LIKE THAT. 809 00:46:06,233 --> 00:46:08,166 BUT IS IT WISE TO SAY SO? 810 00:46:08,166 --> 00:46:10,533 YES, IT IS WISE TO SAY SO. 811 00:46:10,533 --> 00:46:12,100 WHY NOT? 812 00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:14,066 WHY WOULDN'T IT BE WISE TO SAY SO? 813 00:46:14,066 --> 00:46:15,867 THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS. 814 00:46:15,867 --> 00:46:18,567 AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST-- 815 00:46:18,567 --> 00:46:22,333 DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT WAY 816 00:46:22,333 --> 00:46:24,734 OF SEEING LIFE AND RELATIONSHIPS. 817 00:46:24,734 --> 00:46:29,200 IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME WITH YOU THAN ME. 818 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,233 AND PEOPLE REACT 819 00:46:31,233 --> 00:46:34,033 IN DIFFERENT WAYS TO GRIEF. 820 00:46:34,033 --> 00:46:37,166 SOME GO TO A MONASTERY, 821 00:46:37,166 --> 00:46:39,834 OTHERS START 822 00:46:39,834 --> 00:46:43,433 VISITING WHOREHOUSES. 823 00:46:48,066 --> 00:46:51,467 Sylbert: HE DECIDED HE WAS GONNA SURVIVE, 824 00:46:51,467 --> 00:46:53,467 AND THE WAY HE WAS GONNA SURVIVE 825 00:46:53,467 --> 00:46:57,100 IS THROUGH HIS TALENT AND HAVING FUN. 826 00:46:58,166 --> 00:47:00,200 WHETHER IT WAS DINNER FOR FOUR 827 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,200 AND HE WAS HOLDING COURT WITH SOME IDEA HE HAD, 828 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,734 OR WHETHER IT WAS A GROUP 829 00:47:05,734 --> 00:47:08,533 OF 30 OR 40 OR 50, 830 00:47:08,533 --> 00:47:12,333 HE LIKED TO BE THE CENTER OF IT ALL. 831 00:47:12,333 --> 00:47:14,700 HE WAS A WONDERFUL HOST, 832 00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:16,834 ALMOST LIKE A DANCE MASTER. 833 00:47:16,834 --> 00:47:20,500 HE KEPT IT ALL SORT OF STIRRED. 834 00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:23,367 IT GAVE HIM ENORMOUS PLEASURE. 835 00:47:23,367 --> 00:47:26,000 AND AFTER SHARON 836 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,500 I THINK HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE ALONE TOO MUCH. 837 00:47:29,533 --> 00:47:33,133 IT'S NOT SO GOOD TO BE ALONE. 838 00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:39,066 EVERYBODY KNOWS 839 00:47:39,066 --> 00:47:42,066 THE BEST WAY TO GET CLOSE TO YOUR DREAM 840 00:47:42,066 --> 00:47:46,033 IS TO GET TO KNOW A STAR, A REAL STAR. 841 00:47:46,033 --> 00:47:48,533 POLANSKI AFTER "CHINATOWN" 842 00:47:48,533 --> 00:47:51,433 WAS NOT ONLY A REAL STAR, 843 00:47:51,433 --> 00:47:56,200 HE WAS "THE ROMAN POLANSKI," 844 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,433 A BIG NAME. 845 00:47:58,433 --> 00:48:02,767 SHE WOULDN'T MIND BEING DISCOVERED 846 00:48:02,767 --> 00:48:04,567 BY A MAN LIKE ROMAN POLANSKI. 847 00:48:04,567 --> 00:48:07,600 AFTER ALL, SHE HAD SEEN IN THE FRENCH "VOGUE" 848 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,600 PICTURES OF NASTASSJA KINSKI 849 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,834 WHO WAS 15 WHEN SHE STARTED 850 00:48:11,834 --> 00:48:14,266 HER AFFAIR WITH ROMAN POLANSKI, 851 00:48:14,266 --> 00:48:16,266 OR ROMAN STARTED IT WITH HER. 852 00:48:16,266 --> 00:48:18,266 AND EVERYBODY HAD THE OPINION 853 00:48:18,266 --> 00:48:20,734 IF POLANSKI WOULDN'T HAVE DONE 854 00:48:20,734 --> 00:48:23,433 THIS PHOTO LAYOUT WITH NASTASSJA, 855 00:48:23,433 --> 00:48:25,433 SHE WOULD HAVE NEVER BECOME 856 00:48:25,433 --> 00:48:28,433 SUCH A WELL-KNOWN YOUNG STAR. 857 00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:33,166 Geimer: HE WAS A FRIEND OF A GUY 858 00:48:33,166 --> 00:48:35,066 MY SISTER WAS DATING. 859 00:48:35,066 --> 00:48:38,033 AND HE WANTED GIRLS TO MODEL. 860 00:48:38,033 --> 00:48:40,400 AND I WAS MODELING AND ACTING 861 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,467 AND WANTED, YOU KNOW, TO BE IN THE BUSINESS. 862 00:48:42,467 --> 00:48:44,600 SO THAT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW. 863 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,867 WE SIGNED RIGHT UP. "SURE, HAVE MY PICTURES TAKEN 864 00:48:46,867 --> 00:48:50,033 BY ROMAN POLANSKI. SOUNDS GREAT." 865 00:48:52,066 --> 00:48:54,033 Preute: SUSIE GAILY, 866 00:48:54,033 --> 00:48:56,834 THE MOTHER OF THE ALLEGED VICTIM, 867 00:48:56,834 --> 00:48:59,700 INTRODUCED HERSELF 868 00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:03,800 AS AN ACTRESS TO POLANSKI. 869 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,767 AND SHE HAD DONE SOME WORK IN FILMS. 870 00:49:06,767 --> 00:49:09,700 WELL, I WAS INNOCENT, SEE. 871 00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:11,800 AND THAT'S THE TRUTH. 872 00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:16,600 WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY? 873 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,033 I REMEMBER VAGUELY 874 00:49:18,033 --> 00:49:20,166 MEETING THE MOTHER AT SOME PARTY-- 875 00:49:20,166 --> 00:49:22,800 YOU KNOW, LIKE, "HI." 876 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,266 AND THEN I WAS AWAY 877 00:49:25,266 --> 00:49:27,667 AND THEN HEARD ABOUT ALL OF THIS. 878 00:49:27,667 --> 00:49:30,066 BUT JUST IN WHAT I WAS TOLD 879 00:49:30,066 --> 00:49:31,900 AND WHAT I READ, 880 00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:34,367 I KEPT GOING BACK TO THE SAME QUESTION-- 881 00:49:34,367 --> 00:49:36,367 "WHY DID THE MOTHER 882 00:49:36,367 --> 00:49:40,800 BRING HER 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER INTO THIS GROUP?" 883 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,934 ESPECIALLY IF SHE HAD SPENT TIME WITH THEM 884 00:49:42,934 --> 00:49:45,467 AND ALL THE THINGS THAT SHE SAID SUBSEQUENTLY 885 00:49:45,467 --> 00:49:47,433 WERE TRUE-- WOULDN'T YOU KEEP 886 00:49:47,433 --> 00:49:49,934 YOUR 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AWAY FROM THAT? 887 00:49:49,934 --> 00:49:51,667 YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A GUY 888 00:49:51,667 --> 00:49:53,567 THAT HAD A PRETTY WILD REPUTATION. 889 00:49:53,567 --> 00:49:57,100 HE WAS KNOWN AS A WOMANIZER. 890 00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:58,700 HE'S A PARTYGOER. 891 00:49:58,700 --> 00:50:00,734 HE CERTAINLY HAD A LOT OF WOMEN OVER THE YEARS 892 00:50:00,734 --> 00:50:04,800 AND HE LOVED YOUNG WOMEN. 893 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,533 WHY WOULD HER MOTHER ALLOW HER 894 00:50:06,533 --> 00:50:09,033 TO BE ALONE WITH POLANSKI? 895 00:50:09,033 --> 00:50:11,500 I DON'T LIKE-- YOU ALWAYS GET THE "WHERE WAS YOUR MOM?" 896 00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:14,333 IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, GIVE MY MOM A BREAK. 897 00:50:14,333 --> 00:50:16,200 YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT HER FAULT. 898 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,400 AND SO... 899 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,266 YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE HEARING 900 00:50:21,266 --> 00:50:22,767 ANYBODY'S OPINION ON IT. 901 00:50:22,767 --> 00:50:24,400 LIKE, EVERY TIME SOMEONE BRINGS IT UP, 902 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,400 AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR LITTLE, YOU KNOW, BANTER ON T.V. 903 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,500 IT'S LIKE, YOU WEREN'T THERE. YOU DON'T KNOW. 904 00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:31,433 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU'RE SAYING HOW I FELT, 905 00:50:31,433 --> 00:50:33,367 WHAT HAPPENED, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT POLANSKI. 906 00:50:33,367 --> 00:50:35,266 YOU HAVE NO IDEA. AND YOU'RE ON THE NEWS 907 00:50:35,266 --> 00:50:36,867 MAKING ALL THESE STATEMENTS 908 00:50:36,867 --> 00:50:40,033 AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO YOU AND... SHUT UP. 909 00:50:41,734 --> 00:50:44,000 ANOTHER HEARING ON THE ADMISSIBILITY 910 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,934 OF THE BEVERLY WILSHIRE HOTEL RECORDS 911 00:50:45,934 --> 00:50:48,033 HAS BEEN SET FOR NEXT FRIDAY. 912 00:50:48,033 --> 00:50:50,066 FROM SANTA MONICA, FERNELL CHAPMAN, 913 00:50:50,066 --> 00:50:51,867 NEWS CENTER 4. 914 00:51:03,667 --> 00:51:06,700 I WAS INSTRUMENTAL 915 00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:09,400 IN ARRANGING THE PLEA BARGAIN 916 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,367 BECAUSE AS I LOOKED 917 00:51:11,367 --> 00:51:14,100 AT THIS FAMILY AND SAMANTHA, I THOUGHT-- 918 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,133 AT THE TIME SOME PEOPLE KNEW HER NAME 919 00:51:16,133 --> 00:51:19,333 AND SOME OF THE KIDS AT SCHOOL KNEW WHO SHE WAS. 920 00:51:19,333 --> 00:51:22,033 I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT 921 00:51:22,033 --> 00:51:24,900 TO TRY TO MAINTAIN HER ANONYMITY, 922 00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:26,900 ANONYMITY WHICH WOULD HAVE DISAPPEARED 923 00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:28,734 IF THE CASE HAD GONE TO TRIAL. 924 00:51:28,734 --> 00:51:32,266 AND SO I TRIED TO PERSUADE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY 925 00:51:32,266 --> 00:51:34,333 WHO HAD A NEW PLEA BARGAINING POLICY, 926 00:51:34,333 --> 00:51:36,600 A TOUGH PLEA BARGAINING POLICY. 927 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,100 I SAID, "I'M NOT GONNA DO IT. 928 00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:41,567 I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING IT." 929 00:51:41,567 --> 00:51:44,033 AND SO WHAT HE DECIDED WAS-- 930 00:51:44,033 --> 00:51:46,700 HE SAYS, "WELL, I'M GONNA DO IT MYSELF." 931 00:51:58,767 --> 00:52:01,166 ( siren wailing ) 932 00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:05,500 Gunson: THE L.A.P.D. BROUGHT 933 00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,233 THE EVIDENCE ENVELOPE 934 00:52:07,233 --> 00:52:09,233 TO THIS COURTHOUSE BUILDING 935 00:52:09,233 --> 00:52:12,266 AND BROUGHT IT IN, ACTUALLY, TO THIS ROOM. 936 00:52:12,266 --> 00:52:15,166 THERE WERE ABOUT FIVE, SIX OR SEVEN MEN 937 00:52:15,166 --> 00:52:18,800 STANDING AROUND, 938 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,600 LOOKING, PEERING DOWN 939 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,400 AT THIS EVIDENCE ENVELOPE 940 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,600 AND SOMEONE TAKES IT AND TURNS IT AND OPENS IT 941 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,567 AND OUT FALLS 942 00:52:26,567 --> 00:52:29,100 THESE LITTLE GIRL'S PANTIES. 943 00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:31,633 AND SO THERE WAS 944 00:52:31,633 --> 00:52:33,633 THIS ENORMOUS COURT BATTLE 945 00:52:33,633 --> 00:52:35,900 OVER PROPERTY THAT BELONGED TO HER 946 00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:37,900 AS TO WHAT WAS TO BE DONE WITH THEM. 947 00:52:37,900 --> 00:52:40,834 AND JUDGE RITTENBAND DECIDED 948 00:52:40,834 --> 00:52:43,066 TO CUT IT IN HALF 949 00:52:43,066 --> 00:52:45,767 AND GIVE HALF TO THE PROSECUTION 950 00:52:45,767 --> 00:52:47,400 AND HALF TO THE DEFENSE. 951 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,500 THE DEFENSE EXPERT WENT OVER AND PUT ON HIS LATEX GLOVES 952 00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:54,333 AND CAME BACK AND THEN STARTED 953 00:52:54,333 --> 00:52:58,967 OPERATING ON THESE COPPER PANTIES. 954 00:52:58,967 --> 00:53:00,900 IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THE HUMOR 955 00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:03,133 OF ABOUT SEVEN MEN SITTING AROUND A TABLE... 956 00:53:03,133 --> 00:53:05,233 ...TRYING TO IDENTIFY ANY STAINS 957 00:53:05,233 --> 00:53:08,066 AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CUT, OR THE PIECE, 958 00:53:08,066 --> 00:53:09,934 INCLUDES PART OF THAT STAIN. 959 00:53:09,934 --> 00:53:11,567 AND THEY WERE FIGHTING-- "NO NO, IT HAS TO BE 960 00:53:11,567 --> 00:53:13,900 JUST A LITTLE TO THIS WAY. NO, IT SHOULD BE OVER HERE. 961 00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:15,967 WE SHOULDN'T CUT THAT WAY AT ALL, WE SHOULD CUT--" 962 00:53:15,967 --> 00:53:18,066 SO FINALLY THEY MADE THE CUT. 963 00:53:18,066 --> 00:53:19,767 WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD WAS 964 00:53:19,767 --> 00:53:22,467 THAT DALTON WAS GOING TO TAKE HIS HALF 965 00:53:22,467 --> 00:53:24,300 AND SUBMIT IT TO A LAB. 966 00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:26,467 I ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT THE LAB 967 00:53:26,467 --> 00:53:28,700 WAS ABOUT TO GIVE ITS REPORT IN TWO WEEKS. 968 00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:30,934 AND TWO WEEKS AND THREE DAYS LATER 969 00:53:30,934 --> 00:53:32,734 DALTON CALLED ME ON THE PHONE, 970 00:53:32,734 --> 00:53:34,066 CLEARLY NOW, I THINK, 971 00:53:34,066 --> 00:53:36,467 HAVING THE RESULTS OF THE LAB REPORT, 972 00:53:36,467 --> 00:53:38,567 SAYING, YOU KNOW, 973 00:53:38,567 --> 00:53:41,300 "WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN 974 00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:43,767 IF WE PURSUED A PLEA BARGAIN 975 00:53:43,767 --> 00:53:46,667 WITH THE PROSECUTION?" 976 00:53:46,667 --> 00:53:48,934 AT WHICH POINT-- AT THAT POINT I REALIZED 977 00:53:48,934 --> 00:53:51,200 THAT NOW POLANSKI HAD AN INTEREST, 978 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,000 THAT THE STAIN IN THE PANTIES 979 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,600 WAS GOING TO BE BRUTAL EVIDENCE FOR THEM. 980 00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:03,767 Dalton: THE PROSECUTION HAD LOADED POLANSKI UP 981 00:54:03,767 --> 00:54:06,266 WITH MULTIPLE CHARGES. 982 00:54:06,266 --> 00:54:09,400 THE ONLY ONE HE WAS WILLING TO ADMIT 983 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,567 AND TO PLEAD GUILTY TO 984 00:54:11,567 --> 00:54:13,500 WAS THAT HE HAD HAD 985 00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:17,066 CONSENSUAL SEX WITH THE MINOR. 986 00:54:31,667 --> 00:54:33,700 Gunson: MR. DALTON ASKED, 987 00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:35,734 "COULD IT BE A MISDEMEANOR--" 988 00:54:35,734 --> 00:54:37,133 AND I SAYS, "NO." 989 00:54:37,133 --> 00:54:39,633 "--THAT HE NOT GO TO STATE PRISON?" 990 00:54:39,633 --> 00:54:41,934 I SAYS, "NO, THAT'S GOT TO BE OPEN." 991 00:54:41,934 --> 00:54:45,667 AND SO HE AGREED TO ALL THOSE 992 00:54:45,667 --> 00:54:48,767 AND WE AGREED THAT IT'D BE UNLAWFUL SEXUAL INTERCOURSE-- 993 00:54:48,767 --> 00:54:51,033 THE LOWEST COUNT 994 00:54:51,033 --> 00:54:55,266 THAT RELATED TO THE GRAVAMEN. 995 00:54:55,266 --> 00:54:58,367 Dalton: THE AGREEMENT WAS 996 00:54:58,367 --> 00:55:00,433 THAT POLANSKI WOULD PLEAD GUILTY 997 00:55:00,433 --> 00:55:02,467 TO THE ONE COUNT, 998 00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:05,400 THAT HE WOULD BE SENTENCED 999 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,900 BASED UPON THE PROBATION REPORT 1000 00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:11,767 AND THE ARGUMENT OF COUNSEL. 1001 00:55:11,767 --> 00:55:13,700 AT THAT TIME THE SENTENCE 1002 00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:15,433 FOR UNLAWFUL SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WAS 1003 00:55:15,433 --> 00:55:18,633 WHAT THEY CHARACTERIZED AS AN INDETERMINATE SENTENCE, 1004 00:55:18,633 --> 00:55:20,633 SO YOU'RE SENT TO STATE PRISON 1005 00:55:20,633 --> 00:55:24,500 FOR ANYWHERE FROM SIX MONTHS TO 50 YEARS. 1006 00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:26,767 I CHECKED AND THERE HADN'T BEEN ANYONE 1007 00:55:26,767 --> 00:55:29,734 SENT TO PRISON FOR A CONVICTION OF THIS OFFENSE 1008 00:55:29,734 --> 00:55:31,867 IN THE YEAR PRECEDING 1009 00:55:31,867 --> 00:55:34,100 ROMAN POLANSKI'S CASE. 1010 00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:36,200 I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD DISPOSITION, 1011 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,600 FOR THE REASON THAT IT VINDICATED 1012 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,400 THE FAMILY AND THE GIRL 1013 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,066 AND IT EXPOSED MR. POLANSKI 1014 00:55:44,066 --> 00:55:47,033 TO SIGNIFICANT TIME IN CUSTODY 1015 00:55:47,033 --> 00:55:49,500 BASED UPON A PROBATION REPORT. 1016 00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:52,667 Reporter: BY ENTERING HIS GUILTY PLEA, 1017 00:55:52,667 --> 00:55:54,667 POLANSKI AVOIDED GOING TO TRIAL, 1018 00:55:54,667 --> 00:55:56,800 A TRIAL THAT WAS TO HAVE BEGUN TOMORROW, 1019 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,033 THE EIGHTH ANNIVERSARY OF HIS WIFE'S DEATH 1020 00:55:59,033 --> 00:56:01,734 AT THE HANDS OF THE CHARLES MANSON FAMILY. 1021 00:56:03,233 --> 00:56:05,667 STANDING WITH HIS LAWYER DOUGLAS DALTON, 1022 00:56:05,667 --> 00:56:09,100 POLANSKI WAS ASKED BY DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY ROGER GUNSON 1023 00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:11,567 TO WHAT COUNT HE PLEADED GUILTY. 1024 00:56:11,567 --> 00:56:13,734 POLANSKI: "I HAD INTERCOURSE 1025 00:56:13,734 --> 00:56:16,033 WITH A FEMALE PERSON, NOT MY WIFE, 1026 00:56:16,033 --> 00:56:17,867 WHO WAS UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE." 1027 00:56:17,867 --> 00:56:21,767 GUNSON: "HOW OLD DID YOU THINK THE GIRL WAS?" 1028 00:56:21,767 --> 00:56:25,033 POLANSKI: "I UNDERSTOOD SHE WAS 13." 1029 00:56:25,033 --> 00:56:27,300 THE PLEA BARGAINING WAS THE RESULT 1030 00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:29,300 OF A REQUEST BY ATTORNEY LAWRENCE SILVER, 1031 00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:31,433 REPRESENTING THE GIRL'S FAMILY. 1032 00:56:31,433 --> 00:56:33,367 SILVER ASKED JUDGE LAWRENCE RITTENBAND 1033 00:56:33,367 --> 00:56:35,133 TO ACCEPT THE PLEA AND PROTECT THE GIRL 1034 00:56:35,133 --> 00:56:36,667 FROM THE GLARE OF PUBLICITY. 1035 00:56:36,667 --> 00:56:40,433 SILVER: "A STIGMA WOULD ATTACH TO HER FOR A LIFETIME 1036 00:56:40,433 --> 00:56:43,166 AND JUSTICE IS NOT MADE OF SUCH STUFF." 1037 00:56:44,834 --> 00:56:47,367 JUDGE RITTENBAND IN ACCEPTING THE GUILTY PLEA 1038 00:56:47,367 --> 00:56:49,967 ORDERED POLANSKI TO BE EXAMINED BY TWO PSYCHIATRISTS. 1039 00:56:49,967 --> 00:56:51,900 SENTENCING WILL COME AFTER THAT, 1040 00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:53,600 WHEN THE JUDGE COULD DECLARE THE DIRECTOR 1041 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,400 A MENTALLY DISORDERED SEX OFFENDER. 1042 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,667 THAT COULD RESULT IN COMMITMENT TO A STATE MENTAL HOSPITAL. 1043 00:56:59,667 --> 00:57:01,667 OTHER POSSIBLE SENTENCES INCLUDE 1044 00:57:01,667 --> 00:57:03,266 ONE YEAR IN COUNTY JAIL, 1045 00:57:03,266 --> 00:57:05,266 UP TO 50 YEARS IN A STATE PRISON, 1046 00:57:05,266 --> 00:57:08,100 DEPORTATION OR PROBATION. 1047 00:57:11,667 --> 00:57:14,967 WE TOOK OUR CHANCES, OBVIOUSLY, HERE 1048 00:57:14,967 --> 00:57:19,433 BECAUSE WE HAD NO IDEA OR NO WAY OF KNOWING 1049 00:57:19,433 --> 00:57:23,367 WHAT THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT WOULD CONCLUDE. 1050 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,633 Dr. Ronald Markman: JUDGE RITTENBAND APPOINTED ME 1051 00:57:41,633 --> 00:57:44,600 TO EVALUATE MR. POLANSKI FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING 1052 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,600 WHETHER HE WAS AT THAT TIME 1053 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,033 A MENTALLY DISORDERED SEX OFFENDER, 1054 00:57:50,033 --> 00:57:52,133 WHICH WAS A LEGAL TERM 1055 00:57:52,133 --> 00:57:54,066 HAVING TO DO WITH AN INDIVIDUAL 1056 00:57:54,066 --> 00:57:56,367 WHO, BY REASON OF A MENTAL DISORDER, 1057 00:57:56,367 --> 00:57:58,166 WAS PREDISPOSED 1058 00:57:58,166 --> 00:58:00,133 TO THE COMMISSION OF SEXUAL OFFENSES 1059 00:58:00,133 --> 00:58:01,800 THAT RENDERED HIM A DANGER 1060 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,500 TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OTHERS. 1061 00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:06,400 HE WAS A VERY CONGENIAL 1062 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,433 BUT SOMEWHAT RESERVED GUY 1063 00:58:08,433 --> 00:58:11,233 WHO WAS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD 1064 00:58:11,233 --> 00:58:14,000 IN THE INTERVIEW. 1065 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,567 AS EXPERIENCES GO, 1066 00:58:16,567 --> 00:58:19,333 ROMAN POLANSKI HAS HAD MORE 1067 00:58:19,333 --> 00:58:22,800 THAN WHAT WOULD IMPACT ON A DOZEN PEOPLE, 1068 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,767 IN TERMS OF HIS LIFE AS A CHILD, CONFUSION. 1069 00:58:26,767 --> 00:58:29,367 AND ULTIMATELY HE GETS WHAT HE FEELS 1070 00:58:29,367 --> 00:58:31,233 IS A STABLE RELATIONSHIP 1071 00:58:31,233 --> 00:58:33,133 AND THAT'S TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM 1072 00:58:33,133 --> 00:58:35,500 AT THE SNAP OF A FINGER. 1073 00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:37,533 HE HAD DIFFICULTY 1074 00:58:37,533 --> 00:58:40,300 IN DEVELOPING RELATIONSHIPS WITH WOMEN AFTER THAT. 1075 00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:44,734 I THINK HE FELT VERY VERY HESITANT, 1076 00:58:44,734 --> 00:58:46,967 MAYBE OUT OF FEAR. 1077 00:58:46,967 --> 00:58:49,300 MY OPINION PARALLELED 1078 00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:51,200 THE RECOMMENDATION 1079 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,867 OF THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT. 1080 00:58:52,867 --> 00:58:56,233 I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WHETHER HE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT GO TO JAIL. 1081 00:58:56,233 --> 00:58:58,700 I REALLY FOCUSED SOLELY ON THE PSYCHIATRIC ISSUES. 1082 00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:01,166 AND IT WAS MY OPINION THAT MR. POLANSKI 1083 00:59:01,166 --> 00:59:05,433 DID NOT QUALIFY AS A MENTALLY DISORDERED SEX OFFENDER 1084 00:59:05,433 --> 00:59:07,767 AND SHOULD NOT BE HANDLED AS SUCH. 1085 00:59:10,867 --> 00:59:12,867 Wells: MY FEELING WAS 1086 00:59:12,867 --> 00:59:14,834 THE GUY BELONGED IN STATE PRISON. 1087 00:59:14,834 --> 00:59:16,500 RITTENBAND HAD ASKED ME ABOUT IT. 1088 00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:19,600 I SAID, "JUDGE, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THIS GUY PROBATION." 1089 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,467 HE SAID, "NO NO, I WANT TO SEND HIM TO JAIL. 1090 00:59:21,467 --> 00:59:22,900 I SAID, "YOU'LL NEVER DO IT. 1091 00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:24,767 BECAUSE THE FIRST THING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN 1092 00:59:24,767 --> 00:59:26,734 WHEN YOU SENTENCE HIM IS, HE'S GONNA APPEAL IT." 1093 00:59:26,734 --> 00:59:28,633 "I'M GONNA GIVE HIM A YEAR IN A COUNTY JAIL"-- 1094 00:59:28,633 --> 00:59:31,266 THAT WOULD BE THE SENTENCE THEY'D APPEAL IMMEDIATELY. 1095 00:59:31,266 --> 00:59:33,633 "I'M GONNA GIVE HIM WEEKENDS IN A COUNTY JAIL"-- 1096 00:59:33,633 --> 00:59:34,767 IMMEDIATE APPEAL. 1097 00:59:34,767 --> 00:59:36,467 NO MATTER WHAT THE SENTENCE WAS 1098 00:59:36,467 --> 00:59:38,633 IF IT INCLUDED A DAY IN JAIL, 1099 00:59:38,633 --> 00:59:41,166 DALTON, AND CORRECTLY SO, WOULD HAVE APPEALED IT. 1100 00:59:41,166 --> 00:59:42,867 AND IT'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY UP 1101 00:59:42,867 --> 00:59:44,700 TO THE STATE SUPREME COURT. 1102 00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:46,400 HE HAS THE MONEY AND HE'LL TAKE IT 1103 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,834 TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IF HE THINKS HE CAN. 1104 00:59:48,834 --> 00:59:51,934 HE SAYS, "WELL, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?" 1105 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,700 Brenneman: THE JUDGE CALLED ME INTO CHAMBERS. 1106 00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:58,734 HE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, 1107 00:59:58,734 --> 01:00:00,734 "DICK, TELL ME, 1108 01:00:00,734 --> 01:00:03,467 WHAT THE HELL DO I DO WITH POLANSKI?" 1109 01:00:03,467 --> 01:00:06,367 I WENT, "WHOA, YOUR HONOR, 1110 01:00:06,367 --> 01:00:08,800 THAT'S YOUR DECISION, 1111 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,567 THAT'S NOT MINE. I'M A REPORTER. 1112 01:00:10,567 --> 01:00:13,200 I CAN'T ADVISE YOU ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT." 1113 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,600 I HADN'T BEEN COVERING COURTS THAT LONG, 1114 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,433 BUT I KNEW A DECISION BY A JUDGE 1115 01:00:18,433 --> 01:00:20,700 WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DECISION BY A JUDGE 1116 01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,967 AND WAS NOT TO TAKE IN ANY ADVICE 1117 01:00:22,967 --> 01:00:24,734 FROM ANY OTHER PERSON 1118 01:00:24,734 --> 01:00:27,867 OTHER THAN WHAT WAS THERE IN THE LAW BOOKS, 1119 01:00:27,867 --> 01:00:31,734 WHAT HAD BEEN ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE CASE. 1120 01:00:31,734 --> 01:00:33,734 Wells: HE SAYS, "WELL, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO? 1121 01:00:33,734 --> 01:00:35,100 OR WHAT SHOULD I DO?" 1122 01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,200 I SAID, "YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SHOULD DO 1123 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,767 IS SEND HIM UP FOR 90-DAY OBSERVATION." 1124 01:00:40,767 --> 01:00:43,600 A "12.03.03" IS A DIAGNOSTIC STUDY 1125 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,700 WHERE A DEFENDANT ON A FELONY CASE 1126 01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:49,633 IS SENT TO CHINO FOR A 90-DAY OBSERVATION. 1127 01:00:49,633 --> 01:00:54,300 IT'S LIKE AN IN-DEPTH PROBATION REPORT. 1128 01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:56,166 AND HE SAID, "WELL, WHAT WILL THAT DO?" 1129 01:00:56,166 --> 01:00:57,767 I SAID, "IT'S NOT A FINAL SENTENCE. 1130 01:00:57,767 --> 01:01:00,700 HE CAN'T APPEAL IT. HE HAS TO GO." 1131 01:01:16,433 --> 01:01:18,333 WE WERE VERY PLEASED 1132 01:01:18,333 --> 01:01:20,767 WHEN WE GOT THE PROBATION REPORT. 1133 01:01:20,767 --> 01:01:22,834 IT RECOMMENDED THAT POLANSKI SERVE 1134 01:01:22,834 --> 01:01:24,767 NO TIME IN CUSTODY 1135 01:01:24,767 --> 01:01:29,500 AND RECEIVE A STRAIGHT PROBATIONARY SENTENCE. 1136 01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:32,500 HOWEVER, WE RECEIVED A CALL FROM JUDGE RITTENBAND 1137 01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:34,400 ASKING US TO COME TO CHAMBERS, 1138 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,266 THAT HE WANTED TO DISCUSS THE MATTER WITH US. 1139 01:01:37,266 --> 01:01:40,734 A PROBATION OFFICER, ROGER GUNSON AND I 1140 01:01:40,734 --> 01:01:42,800 ALL WENT INTO HIS CHAMBERS 1141 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,867 FOR A MEETING. 1142 01:01:44,867 --> 01:01:46,900 AT THAT TIME THE JUDGE SAID 1143 01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:49,233 HE WAS NOT GOING TO FOLLOW 1144 01:01:49,233 --> 01:01:51,967 THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT. 1145 01:01:51,967 --> 01:01:53,800 HE HAD DECIDED 1146 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,800 THAT AS PUNISHMENT FOR POLANSKI 1147 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,633 HE WAS GOING TO SEND HIM TO THE STATE PRISON AT CHINO 1148 01:01:58,633 --> 01:02:02,633 FOR A DIAGNOSTIC STUDY. 1149 01:02:02,633 --> 01:02:06,233 GUNSON AND THE PROBATION OFFICER BOTH PROTESTED. 1150 01:02:06,233 --> 01:02:08,300 I TOLD HIM THAT THE LAW WAS 1151 01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:10,700 THAT THE DIAGNOSTIC STUDY 1152 01:02:10,700 --> 01:02:13,734 WAS NOT TO BE USED AS PUNISHMENT 1153 01:02:13,734 --> 01:02:15,400 OR AS SOMEONE'S SENTENCE. 1154 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,166 THE COURTS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE THAT. 1155 01:02:17,166 --> 01:02:19,500 AND HIS RESPONSE WAS, 1156 01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:22,066 "I DON'T WANT TO SEND MR. POLANSKI 1157 01:02:22,066 --> 01:02:23,934 TO COUNTY JAIL 1158 01:02:23,934 --> 01:02:26,467 BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE 1159 01:02:26,467 --> 01:02:31,400 IF HE WERE TO BE INJURED OR KILLED." 1160 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,233 I SAID, "JUDGE, WE HAD NOT EXPECTED THIS. 1161 01:02:34,233 --> 01:02:36,667 POLANSKI IS ENGAGED RIGHT NOW 1162 01:02:36,667 --> 01:02:38,934 IN DIRECTING A LARGE MOVIE 1163 01:02:38,934 --> 01:02:42,033 THAT INVOLVES MANY PEOPLE, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 1164 01:02:42,033 --> 01:02:44,767 THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE A TREMENDOUS HARDSHIP." 1165 01:02:44,767 --> 01:02:47,033 AND HE SUGGESTED 1166 01:02:47,033 --> 01:02:50,367 THAT I REQUEST A STAY, 1167 01:02:50,367 --> 01:02:52,934 THE "STAY" MEANING "TO DEFER" 1168 01:02:52,934 --> 01:02:55,834 OR PUT OFF THIS DIAGNOSTIC STUDY 1169 01:02:55,834 --> 01:02:58,467 IN ORDER FOR POLANSKI TO BE ABLE 1170 01:02:58,467 --> 01:03:02,400 TO COMPLETE HIS WORK ON THE FILM. 1171 01:03:28,734 --> 01:03:31,533 Dalton: WHAT HE WANTED TO DO WAS 1172 01:03:31,533 --> 01:03:34,667 HAVE US GO OUT INTO OPEN COURT 1173 01:03:34,667 --> 01:03:37,000 AND PRETEND AS THOUGH-- 1174 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,600 I DON'T KNOW IF HE USED THE WORD "PRETEND," 1175 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,166 BUT NOT TO DIVULGE THAT WE KNEW 1176 01:03:42,166 --> 01:03:44,934 WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. 1177 01:03:44,934 --> 01:03:47,033 HE SAID, "I WANT YOU TO GO OUT, 1178 01:03:47,033 --> 01:03:50,400 GUNSON, AND YOU ARGUE 1179 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,800 THAT POLANSKI SHOULD BE PLACED IN CUSTODY. 1180 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,834 AND DALTON, YOU GO OUT AND YOU ARGUE 1181 01:03:55,834 --> 01:03:58,734 THAT HE SHOULD BE PUT ON PROBATION. 1182 01:03:58,734 --> 01:04:01,834 THEN I WILL MAKE MY REMARKS 1183 01:04:01,834 --> 01:04:04,633 AND I WILL SENTENCE HIM TO CHINO 1184 01:04:04,633 --> 01:04:06,433 FOR THE DIAGNOSTIC STUDY. 1185 01:04:06,433 --> 01:04:08,567 AND THE PRESS NEED NOT KNOW 1186 01:04:08,567 --> 01:04:11,400 ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THIS. 1187 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,967 IF YOU DO NOT TELL THE PRESS ABOUT THIS 1188 01:04:13,967 --> 01:04:16,166 AND IF POLANSKI RECEIVES A GOOD REPORT 1189 01:04:16,166 --> 01:04:18,100 FROM THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT, 1190 01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:21,900 WHICH WE ALL ARE QUITE SURE HE WILL, 1191 01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:24,834 THAT WILL CONCLUDE HIS PUNISHMENT." 1192 01:04:26,867 --> 01:04:29,400 I WASN'T GOING TO ARGUE ABOUT IT. 1193 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,433 POLANSKI'S FATE HUNG IN THE BALANCE. 1194 01:04:31,433 --> 01:04:33,300 IF I STARTED PROTESTING 1195 01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:35,433 ABOUT THE DIAGNOSTIC STUDY 1196 01:04:35,433 --> 01:04:37,100 RITTENBAND COULD WELL HAVE SAID, 1197 01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:39,266 "WELL, I'LL JUST SEND HIM TO PRISON. 1198 01:04:39,266 --> 01:04:40,834 HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT?" 1199 01:04:40,834 --> 01:04:45,867 THAT WAS THE... FABRICATION 1200 01:04:45,867 --> 01:04:48,433 THAT HE-- 1201 01:04:48,433 --> 01:04:50,900 THE SCENARIO THAT HE WANTED TO PRESENT 1202 01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:52,867 AND HE DID PRESENT. 1203 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,967 Dalton: THIS THING HAD REACHED THE POINT 1204 01:05:06,967 --> 01:05:10,166 WHERE IT WAS ACTUALLY BECOMING SURREAL. 1205 01:05:17,767 --> 01:05:21,767 GUNSON AND I WALKED INTO THE COURTROOM 1206 01:05:21,767 --> 01:05:23,333 WHICH WAS PACKED 1207 01:05:23,333 --> 01:05:25,700 WITH NEWSMEN AND SPECTATORS. 1208 01:05:28,333 --> 01:05:31,066 WE TOOK OUR PLACES AT THE COUNSEL TABLE, 1209 01:05:31,066 --> 01:05:33,000 SAT DOWN AND WAITED 1210 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,900 FOR THE ENTRANCE OF JUDGE RITTENBAND. 1211 01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:38,100 I ARGUED FIRST. 1212 01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:40,500 IT WAS A VERY STRANGE FEELING 1213 01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:42,834 TO BE ARGUING WHEN I KNEW EXACTLY 1214 01:05:42,834 --> 01:05:44,800 WHAT THE RESULT WAS GOING TO BE. 1215 01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,033 IT WAS LIKE HAVING A MOCK TRIAL. 1216 01:05:47,033 --> 01:05:49,033 IN LAW SCHOOL WE DID THIS, 1217 01:05:49,033 --> 01:05:51,367 WE HAD STAGED TRIALS AND SO FORTH, 1218 01:05:51,367 --> 01:05:54,567 BUT EVEN THEN WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT RESULT WAS GOING TO BE. 1219 01:05:54,567 --> 01:05:56,700 BUT WE DUTIFULLY WENT OUT. 1220 01:05:56,700 --> 01:05:58,900 I ARGUED FOR PROBATION. 1221 01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:02,133 I TRIED TO MAKE IT SOUND AS AUTHENTIC AS I COULD. 1222 01:06:02,133 --> 01:06:05,700 GUNSON GOT UP AND MADE HIS ARGUMENT. 1223 01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:08,567 AND THEN RITTENBAND PROCEEDED 1224 01:06:08,567 --> 01:06:11,066 TO GIVE HIS CLOSING REMARKS 1225 01:06:11,066 --> 01:06:13,100 WHICH HAD BEEN OBVIOUSLY 1226 01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:15,066 PREPARED IN ADVANCE. 1227 01:06:15,066 --> 01:06:18,233 HE ARGUED MUCH BETTER THAN EITHER ONE OF US. 1228 01:06:18,233 --> 01:06:20,700 AND AS I SAT THERE AND LISTENED, I THOUGHT, 1229 01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:23,867 "I THINK I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. 1230 01:06:23,867 --> 01:06:26,400 HE KNOWS THAT THIS IS A PROBATION CASE. 1231 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,934 THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT HAS RECOMMENDED PROBATION. 1232 01:06:29,934 --> 01:06:33,367 CHINO WILL VERY LIKELY RECOMMEND THE SAME THING. 1233 01:06:33,367 --> 01:06:35,233 AND HE WANTS TO CONDITION 1234 01:06:35,233 --> 01:06:37,800 THE PRESS AND PUBLIC TO THE FACT 1235 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,100 THAT WHEN HE PUTS POLANSKI ON PROBATION, 1236 01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:42,367 THAT THEY SEE THE BASIS THAT HE USED 1237 01:06:42,367 --> 01:06:45,767 IN ARRIVING AT THAT CONCLUSION." 1238 01:06:45,767 --> 01:06:47,800 Female reporter: AFTER 20 MINUTES IN COURT 1239 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,233 BEFORE SUPERIOR JUDGE LAWRENCE RITTENBAND, 1240 01:06:50,233 --> 01:06:51,967 FILM DIRECTOR ROMAN POLANSKI 1241 01:06:51,967 --> 01:06:53,800 AND HIS LAWYER DOUGLAS DALTON 1242 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,500 EMERGED FROM THE COURTROOM 1243 01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:58,934 AMIDST A CRUSH OF REPORTERS AND CAMERAMEN. 1244 01:06:58,934 --> 01:07:01,200 DALTON HAD ASKED THE COURT 1245 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,133 TO PLACE POLANSKI ON PROBATION, 1246 01:07:03,133 --> 01:07:05,100 ARGUING THAT, THOUGH THE CRIME 1247 01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:07,633 OF UNLAWFUL INTERCOURSE IS A SERIOUS ONE, 1248 01:07:07,633 --> 01:07:10,233 IT IS NOT A UNIQUE CRIME. 1249 01:07:10,233 --> 01:07:13,934 THE PROSECUTOR, DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY ROGER GUNSON, 1250 01:07:13,934 --> 01:07:16,166 ASKED THAT POLANSKI BE PLACED IN CUSTODY, 1251 01:07:16,166 --> 01:07:17,633 THOUGH IT WAS NOTED 1252 01:07:17,633 --> 01:07:20,100 THAT THE 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL IN THE CASE AND HER FAMILY 1253 01:07:20,100 --> 01:07:24,567 HAD ASKED THE COURT NOT TO INCARCERATE THE FILM DIRECTOR. 1254 01:07:24,567 --> 01:07:27,467 ON THE BASIS OF TWO PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATIONS, 1255 01:07:27,467 --> 01:07:29,567 THE JUDGE RULED THAT POLANSKI WAS NOT 1256 01:07:29,567 --> 01:07:31,533 A MENTALLY DISORDERED SEX OFFENDER, 1257 01:07:31,533 --> 01:07:33,333 BUT HE DID ORDER POLANSKI TO UNDERGO 1258 01:07:33,333 --> 01:07:35,934 90-DAYS' FURTHER PSYCHIATRIC TESTING 1259 01:07:35,934 --> 01:07:37,533 AT CHINO STATE PRISON, 1260 01:07:37,533 --> 01:07:39,066 POSTPONING A FINAL SENTENCE 1261 01:07:39,066 --> 01:07:41,500 UNTIL THE TESTING IS COMPLETED. 1262 01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:43,700 JUDGE RITTENBAND GRANTED POLANSKI 1263 01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:46,233 A THREE-MONTH STAY TO CONCLUDE HIS PRESENT WORK. 1264 01:07:46,233 --> 01:07:48,300 AT THE END OF THAT TIME THE FILM DIRECTOR 1265 01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:49,934 WILL GO TO CHINO STATE PRISON 1266 01:07:49,934 --> 01:07:52,533 FOR 90-DAYS' DIAGNOSTIC TESTING. 1267 01:07:52,533 --> 01:07:55,333 ROBIN GROTH, N.B.C. NEWS, SANTA MONICA. 1268 01:07:59,734 --> 01:08:02,033 - WHY ARE YOU LEAVING THE COUNTRY, SIR? - SORRY? 1269 01:08:02,033 --> 01:08:04,333 - WHY ARE YOU LEAVING THE COUNTRY? - WHERE? 1270 01:08:04,333 --> 01:08:06,400 YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE THE COUNTRY ON A BUSINESS TRIP? 1271 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,433 - YES. - CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT TRIP? 1272 01:08:08,433 --> 01:08:10,200 I'M GOING TO PARIS. 1273 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,166 WILL YOU COME BACK? 1274 01:08:12,166 --> 01:08:13,900 WILL I COME BACK? 1275 01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:16,900 I CERTAINLY WILL. DON'T WORRY. 1276 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,133 DINO JUST CALLED UP AND SAID, 1277 01:08:32,133 --> 01:08:34,300 "WONDERFUL NEWS. MY GOD, LORENZO, WE GOT ROMAN. 1278 01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:36,700 WE GOT ROMAN." 1279 01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:39,400 IT WAS A POTBOILER-- 1280 01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,066 PEARL DIVERS GETTING CAUGHT IN A GIANT CLAM 1281 01:08:42,066 --> 01:08:43,533 AND ALL THAT STUFF. 1282 01:08:43,533 --> 01:08:45,934 AND ROMAN HAD REASONABLE CONTEMPT FOR THE SCRIPT-- 1283 01:08:45,934 --> 01:08:48,200 NOT A PICTURE THAT ROMAN WOULD HAVE DONE. 1284 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,300 AND I IMAGINE-- AGAIN, I DIDN'T DISCUSS IT, 1285 01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:52,033 BUT BASICALLY NOBODY ELSE, I PRESUME, 1286 01:08:52,033 --> 01:08:54,033 WOULD HIRE HIM AT THAT TIME. 1287 01:08:54,033 --> 01:08:55,600 AND DE LAURENTIIS, 1288 01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,600 SEEING A CHANCE TO GET A GREAT DIRECTOR 1289 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,900 WHO OTHERWISE HE COULDN'T POSSIBLY HAVE APPROACHED 1290 01:09:00,900 --> 01:09:04,166 FOR THIS PROJECT, STEPPED IN IMMEDIATELY. 1291 01:09:04,166 --> 01:09:06,233 IT WAS A COUP, A TRIUMPH, 1292 01:09:06,233 --> 01:09:08,066 YOU KNOW, TAKING ADVANTAGE 1293 01:09:08,066 --> 01:09:10,233 OF THIS GUY'S TROUBLES TO SOME EXTENT. 1294 01:09:10,233 --> 01:09:12,166 BETTER LUCK FOR ROMAN WOULD HAVE BEEN A JUDGE 1295 01:09:12,166 --> 01:09:14,300 THAT NEVER ALLOWED HIM TO GO TO EUROPE AT ALL. 1296 01:09:18,467 --> 01:09:20,600 ROMAN CALLED ME AND SAID, "LISTEN, 1297 01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,467 I'M HERE IN MUNICH. CAN WE MEET?" 1298 01:09:22,467 --> 01:09:23,667 I SAID, "OF COURSE." 1299 01:09:23,667 --> 01:09:26,200 AND WE DECIDED TO GO IN THE EVENING 1300 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,166 TO SEE THE OKTOBERFEST. 1301 01:09:28,166 --> 01:09:29,834 ROMAN ACTUALLY DIDN'T WANT TO GO 1302 01:09:29,834 --> 01:09:31,900 BUT WE SAID, "YOU HAVE TO SEE THAT 1303 01:09:31,900 --> 01:09:33,600 BECAUSE THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. 1304 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,467 YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN 10,000 PEOPLE 1305 01:09:35,467 --> 01:09:37,567 IN A TENT, DRUNKEN. 1306 01:09:37,567 --> 01:09:39,400 I MEAN, YOU MUST SEE THAT." 1307 01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,700 HE SAID, "OKAY, I'LL GO WITH YOU." 1308 01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:46,100 SO FINALLY WE WENT TO A SPECIAL BOX. 1309 01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:48,166 I WAS WITH MY GIRLFRIEND 1310 01:09:48,166 --> 01:09:50,500 AND TWO OTHER GIRLFRIENDS, YOU KNOW? 1311 01:09:51,967 --> 01:09:55,233 ( Istvan Bajzat speaking German ) 1312 01:10:17,667 --> 01:10:20,266 Braunsberg: MOST UNFORTUNATELY, 1313 01:10:20,266 --> 01:10:23,033 HE WAS PHOTOGRAPHED, CAUGHT IN A POSE 1314 01:10:23,033 --> 01:10:25,867 SITTING IN BETWEEN TWO GIRLS. 1315 01:10:25,867 --> 01:10:28,800 IT WAS QUITE INNOCENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, PHOTOGRAPHS-- 1316 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,800 THEY SAY A PHOTOGRAPH DOESN'T LIE. 1317 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:34,500 NOTHING LIES MORE THAN A PHOTOGRAPH. 1318 01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:38,367 Lorenzo Semple, Jr.: ROMAN ALWAYS DID HAVE BAD LUCK. 1319 01:10:38,367 --> 01:10:41,233 THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT A CAUTIOUS PERSON 1320 01:10:41,233 --> 01:10:43,633 WOULD NOT HAVE DREAMED OF DOING. 1321 01:10:43,633 --> 01:10:45,333 I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THEMSELVES 1322 01:10:45,333 --> 01:10:47,166 PHOTOGRAPHED IN THE CATHEDRAL 1323 01:10:47,166 --> 01:10:49,133 OR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 1324 01:10:49,133 --> 01:10:53,700 THAT ONE PHOTOGRAPH CHANGED EVERYTHING. 1325 01:10:53,700 --> 01:10:55,433 I TOOK IT INTO RITTENBAND 1326 01:10:55,433 --> 01:10:57,633 BECAUSE I FIGURED IT WAS SOMETHING HE OUGHT TO SEE. 1327 01:10:57,633 --> 01:10:59,200 AND WHAT I TOLD HIM WAS, "YOU KNOW, JUDGE, 1328 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,166 YOU'VE MADE SO MANY MISTAKES, I THINK, IN THIS CASE. 1329 01:11:01,166 --> 01:11:04,233 LOOKIT, HE'S GIVING YOU THE FINGER. HE'S FLIPPING YOU OFF. 1330 01:11:04,233 --> 01:11:06,667 HAVEN'T YOU HAD ENOUGH OF THIS?" 1331 01:11:06,667 --> 01:11:08,867 HE SAYS, "WHAT? WHAT? 1332 01:11:08,867 --> 01:11:12,667 HE'S NOT GETTING AWAY WITH THAT." 1333 01:11:12,667 --> 01:11:14,700 THE JUDGE BECAME FURIOUS 1334 01:11:14,700 --> 01:11:16,934 WHEN THIS APPEARED IN THE PAPER. 1335 01:11:16,934 --> 01:11:18,667 HE WAS INTERVIEWED 1336 01:11:18,667 --> 01:11:22,700 BY A HOLLYWOOD GOSSIP COLUMNIST, MARILYN BECK. 1337 01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:24,767 RITTENBAND TOLD ME THAT HE HAD BEEN DUPED. 1338 01:11:24,767 --> 01:11:26,734 I REALLY BELIEVE HE HAD BEEN DUPED. 1339 01:11:26,734 --> 01:11:29,600 Dalton: IN THE INTERVIEW HE SAID 1340 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,600 THAT VERY POSSIBLY HE WANTED 1341 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,500 POLANSKI BACK IN THE COUNTRY 1342 01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:36,400 AND POLANSKI COULD BE ON HIS WAY TO PRISON NOW. 1343 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,633 Gunson: THAT PHOTOGRAPH EMBARRASSED THE JUDGE. 1344 01:11:40,633 --> 01:11:42,300 MR. POLANSKI IS SUPPOSED TO BE 1345 01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:44,300 VERY FOCUSED AND INTENT WHEN HE'S WORKING. 1346 01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,333 AND THIS PHOTOGRAPH DEMONSTRATED 1347 01:11:46,333 --> 01:11:48,567 THAT AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME HE WAS NOT. 1348 01:11:48,567 --> 01:11:50,667 Man: WHY WAS HE IN GERMANY? 1349 01:11:50,667 --> 01:11:52,533 HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD ON A MOVIE. 1350 01:11:52,533 --> 01:11:55,633 COULD YOU CLEAR UP THAT CURRENT MISUNDERSTANDING? 1351 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,767 Fred Sidewater: THE JUDGE ORDERED ROMAN 1352 01:12:02,767 --> 01:12:04,934 TO COME BACK TO THE STATES 1353 01:12:04,934 --> 01:12:09,734 AND HE CALLED DINO IN TO TESTIFY. 1354 01:12:09,734 --> 01:12:12,033 DINO EXPLAINED 1355 01:12:12,033 --> 01:12:14,333 THROUGH ME AS THE TRANSLATOR 1356 01:12:14,333 --> 01:12:17,467 THAT WE WERE GOING ON WITH THE PRODUCTION 1357 01:12:17,467 --> 01:12:19,567 AND THE PREPARATION OF THE PRODUCTION, 1358 01:12:19,567 --> 01:12:22,066 AND THAT THIS WAS JUST PART 1359 01:12:22,066 --> 01:12:24,667 OF THE WHOLE THING OF MAKING MOVIES. 1360 01:12:24,667 --> 01:12:26,700 Man: MR. DE LAURENTIIS, COULD YOU EXPLAIN 1361 01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:28,900 WHY YOU SENT MR. POLANSKI TO GERMANY? 1362 01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:31,867 Sidewater: ROMAN WAS STILL WORKING WHEN HE WAS IN MUNICH 1363 01:12:31,867 --> 01:12:34,967 BECAUSE THE DISTRIBUTOR CONVINCED ROMAN 1364 01:12:34,967 --> 01:12:37,233 TO COME THERE AND SPEND THE NIGHT 1365 01:12:37,233 --> 01:12:39,867 OR GO OUT FOR A FEW DRINKS 1366 01:12:39,867 --> 01:12:43,767 AND AT THE SAME TIME TALK ABOUT "HURRICANE." 1367 01:12:43,767 --> 01:12:46,400 I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED. I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED. 1368 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,600 Sidewater: I DON'T THINK THE JUDGE KNEW THAT 1369 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,633 OR UNDERSTOOD THAT. 1370 01:12:50,633 --> 01:12:53,867 AND MOST OF ALL, HE DIDN'T BELIEVE IT. 1371 01:12:53,867 --> 01:12:56,266 Man: OKAY, NOW STEP ASIDE, PLEASE. LET 'EM THROUGH. 1372 01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,367 Dalton: DE LAURENTIIS TESTIFIED, ROMAN TESTIFIED. 1373 01:13:01,367 --> 01:13:04,400 THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL TO THE CONTRARY. 1374 01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,066 I RESTED MY CASE. 1375 01:13:07,066 --> 01:13:09,367 AND THE RULING HAD TO BE, OF COURSE, 1376 01:13:09,367 --> 01:13:12,367 THAT HE WAS THERE ON BUSINESS PURPOSES. 1377 01:13:12,367 --> 01:13:16,000 AND THAT WAS THE FINDING OF THE JUDGE. 1378 01:13:29,166 --> 01:13:32,100 I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, "YOU JUST HAVE TO BEAR UP 1379 01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:33,767 AND GO THROUGH THIS 1380 01:13:33,767 --> 01:13:35,800 AND REMEMBER AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS 1381 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,867 THIS CASE WILL BE OVER. 1382 01:13:37,867 --> 01:13:39,867 YOU'LL HAVE NO FURTHER TIME IN CUSTODY 1383 01:13:39,867 --> 01:13:42,567 AND IT WILL ALL BE BEHIND YOU." 1384 01:13:47,033 --> 01:13:48,500 Man: THAT'S DALTON? 1385 01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:50,867 Man YEAH, THAT WAS DALTON, HIS LAWYER. 1386 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,300 MR. DALTON, HAS MR. POLANSKI TALKED TO YOU 1387 01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:04,133 ABOUT HIS REACTION TO COMING HERE 1388 01:14:04,133 --> 01:14:05,834 FOR THIS ALMOST THREE-MONTH PERIOD? 1389 01:14:05,834 --> 01:14:07,233 YES, HE HAS. EXCUSE ME, 1390 01:14:07,233 --> 01:14:09,100 I HAVE SOME BUSINESS TO CONDUCT IN HERE. 1391 01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:11,667 HAS HE INDICATED TO YOU AS TO WHAT HIS FEELINGS ARE? 1392 01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:35,800 Man: MR. POLANSKI, DO YOU HAVE ANY STATEMENT AT ALL? 1393 01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,867 MR. POLANSKI, DO YOU HAVE ANY STATEMENT AT ALL? 1394 01:14:47,433 --> 01:14:49,567 MR. POLANSKI, DO YOU HAVE ANY STATEMENT AT ALL 1395 01:14:49,567 --> 01:14:52,934 REGARDING THIS 90-DAY PSYCHIATRIC STUDY THAT YOU'VE COME IN FOR? 1396 01:14:52,934 --> 01:14:54,934 - NO. - NO STATEMENT WHATSOEVER? 1397 01:14:54,934 --> 01:14:57,266 WHAT ARE YOUR IMMEDIATE THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW? 1398 01:14:58,633 --> 01:15:01,100 ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU HAVE AT ALL? 1399 01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:24,734 Reporter: WILL HE BE GIVEN ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION HERE? 1400 01:15:24,734 --> 01:15:27,934 NOTHING OTHER THAN ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD COME IN. 1401 01:15:27,934 --> 01:15:30,100 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SPECIAL HOUSING 1402 01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:32,834 AND SPECIAL CONSIDERATION, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS-- 1403 01:15:32,834 --> 01:15:34,900 EVERYBODY THAT COMES IN, WE SCREEN THEM 1404 01:15:34,900 --> 01:15:37,800 FOR POSSIBLE PROTECTIVE CUSTODY HOUSING. 1405 01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,500 BUT WE'RE CONCERNED FOR HIS SAFETY. 1406 01:15:50,533 --> 01:15:52,967 Koch: THERE WERE SKETCHES. THERE WERE LOCATIONS. 1407 01:15:52,967 --> 01:15:55,500 PEOPLE HAD BEEN UP TO CHINO AND TALKED TO ROMAN. 1408 01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:58,734 I MEAN, HE WAS PREPPING THE MOVIE FROM CHINO. 1409 01:15:58,734 --> 01:16:00,700 DINO AND I WENT TO VISIT ROMAN. 1410 01:16:00,700 --> 01:16:02,667 DINO, OF COURSE, WAS CONCERNED 1411 01:16:02,667 --> 01:16:04,500 AS TO WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH HIS FILM. 1412 01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:07,900 I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED WHEN WE SAW ROMAN. 1413 01:16:07,900 --> 01:16:10,533 WE WERE SITTING OUTSIDE AT A TABLE, 1414 01:16:10,533 --> 01:16:13,500 OUTSIDE OF THE PRISON. HE WAS NERVOUS, 1415 01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:15,934 ALWAYS LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER 1416 01:16:15,934 --> 01:16:19,333 TO SEE WHAT WAS IN BACK OF HIM. 1417 01:16:19,333 --> 01:16:21,367 HE SAID THAT HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT 1418 01:16:21,367 --> 01:16:24,100 WHAT THE OTHER PRISONERS WOULD DO TO HIM 1419 01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:26,133 IF THEY COULD GET NEAR HIM 1420 01:16:26,133 --> 01:16:27,967 BECAUSE HE WAS ACCUSED 1421 01:16:27,967 --> 01:16:30,200 OF BEING A CHILD MOLESTER. 1422 01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:36,233 Braunsberg: IT WAS VERY GRIM 1423 01:16:36,233 --> 01:16:39,166 AND IT WAS A VERY FRIGHTENING PLACE. 1424 01:16:39,166 --> 01:16:42,033 YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HARD CORE-- 1425 01:16:42,033 --> 01:16:44,433 YOU KNOW, MURDERERS. 1426 01:16:44,433 --> 01:16:47,633 ROMAN WAS NOT SAFE THERE. 1427 01:16:47,633 --> 01:16:50,266 PEOPLE GET KILLED THERE. 1428 01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:06,567 POLANSKI OF COURSE WAS DELIGHTED. 1429 01:17:06,567 --> 01:17:09,333 HE FELT, AS PROPERLY HE SHOULD, 1430 01:17:09,333 --> 01:17:10,867 THAT HE HAD LIVED UP 1431 01:17:10,867 --> 01:17:12,667 TO HIS OBLIGATIONS IN THE CASE-- 1432 01:17:12,667 --> 01:17:14,233 HE HAD ADMITTED HIS GUILT, 1433 01:17:14,233 --> 01:17:16,367 HE SERVED THE SENTENCE THAT HAD BEEN IMPOSED-- 1434 01:17:16,367 --> 01:17:19,367 AND NOW IT WAS OVER AND HE COULD GO ON WITH HIS LIFE. 1435 01:17:21,266 --> 01:17:24,500 Gunson: I WAS QUITE SURPRISED. 1436 01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:29,233 EVERYONE IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IS AWARE 1437 01:17:29,233 --> 01:17:31,266 THAT 90-DAY DIAGNOSTIC STUDIES 1438 01:17:31,266 --> 01:17:33,367 TAKE LESS THAN 90 DAYS. 1439 01:17:33,367 --> 01:17:35,333 THERE ARE NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE, I WOULD GUESS, 1440 01:17:35,333 --> 01:17:38,266 WHO HAVE HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF IT ONLY BEING 42. 1441 01:17:38,266 --> 01:17:40,800 THAT'S NOT A PUNISHMENT. A PUNISHMENT-- 1442 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,800 YOU KNOW, HE WAS CHARGED WITH VERY SERIOUS CRIMES. 1443 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,567 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CRIMES 1444 01:17:46,567 --> 01:17:49,367 THAT WOULD INCUR STATE PRISON TIME, 1445 01:17:49,367 --> 01:17:52,934 MAYBE 10, 15, 20 YEARS IN STATE PRISON. 1446 01:17:52,934 --> 01:17:55,200 A 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL, 1447 01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,867 WHERE HE HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH HER, 1448 01:17:57,867 --> 01:18:00,066 SODOMIZED HER, GAVE HER DRUGS, 1449 01:18:00,066 --> 01:18:02,133 GAVE HER ALCOHOL. 1450 01:18:02,133 --> 01:18:05,000 Vannatter: HE GOT OFF WITH NOTHING. 1451 01:18:06,867 --> 01:18:09,233 Male reporter:: MR. GUNSON, IT'S USUALLY THE PRACTICE 1452 01:18:09,233 --> 01:18:10,867 OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE 1453 01:18:10,867 --> 01:18:13,400 TO PROSECUTE THE DEFENDANT TO THE FULLEST DEGREE. 1454 01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,033 YOU'VE DEVIATED APPARENTLY IN THIS CASE. WHY? 1455 01:18:16,033 --> 01:18:18,400 Female reporter: WHY DID YOU AGREE TO COPPING OUT ON THE PLEA 1456 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,900 IF HE SHOULD HAVE HAD A FULL TRIAL WITH CHARGES? 1457 01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:22,233 WHAT DO YOU MEAN, "COPPING OUT"? 1458 01:18:22,233 --> 01:18:25,533 Gunson: BETWEEN THE TIME THAT THE JUDGE AGREED 1459 01:18:25,533 --> 01:18:30,000 THAT THE 90-DAY DIAGNOSTIC STUDY BE HIS SENTENCE, 1460 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,800 THERE HAD BEEN LOTS OF NEWS MEDIA REPORTS 1461 01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,033 VERY CRITICAL OF THE JUDGE. 1462 01:18:35,033 --> 01:18:39,266 AND NOW THAT IT APPEARS THAT MR. POLANSKI 1463 01:18:39,266 --> 01:18:41,367 WILL BE WALKING AWAY FROM A RAPE 1464 01:18:41,367 --> 01:18:43,533 AFTER JUST SERVING 42 DAYS, 1465 01:18:43,533 --> 01:18:45,967 IT'S GOING TO BE EMBARRASSING TO THE JUDGE 1466 01:18:45,967 --> 01:18:49,166 AND HE NEEDS TO OVERCOME IT. 1467 01:19:04,633 --> 01:19:07,700 Koch: MY FATHER WAS AT THE HILLCREST COUNTRY CLUB 1468 01:19:07,700 --> 01:19:10,133 WASHING HIS HANDS IN THE LOCKER ROOM, 1469 01:19:10,133 --> 01:19:13,900 AND STANDING NEXT TO HIM WAS JUDGE RITTENBAND. 1470 01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:16,400 AND ONE OF GENTLEMEN AT HILLCREST 1471 01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,133 CAME UP TO RITTENBAND AND SAID, 1472 01:19:18,133 --> 01:19:20,300 "ARE YOU REALLY GONNA LET THAT LITTLE POLISH 1473 01:19:20,300 --> 01:19:22,300 BLAH-BLAH-BLAH OFF?" 1474 01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:23,934 AND RITTENBAND SAID, 1475 01:19:23,934 --> 01:19:26,200 "WELL, HE THINKS SO, BUT NO WAY. 1476 01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,700 WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT LITTLE BLANK-BLANK AWAY 1477 01:19:28,700 --> 01:19:30,300 FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE." 1478 01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:43,834 WHEN WE MET IN HIS CHAMBERS, 1479 01:19:43,834 --> 01:19:46,233 AT THIS TIME JUDGE RITTENBAND SAID 1480 01:19:46,233 --> 01:19:48,567 THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO HONOR 1481 01:19:48,567 --> 01:19:50,500 THE PROMISE THAT HE HAD MADE 1482 01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:52,500 ABOUT RELEASING POLANSKI 1483 01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:55,266 UPON COMPLETION OF THE DIAGNOSTIC STUDY. 1484 01:19:55,266 --> 01:19:57,100 HE GAVE AS HIS REASON 1485 01:19:57,100 --> 01:19:59,900 THAT HE WAS GETTING TOO MUCH CRITICISM. 1486 01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:02,333 THE JUDGE SAYS THAT 42 DAYS 1487 01:20:02,333 --> 01:20:04,533 IS NOT ENOUGH TIME IN CUSTODY, 1488 01:20:04,533 --> 01:20:08,100 THAT HE EXPECTED HIM TO BE IN THERE 90 DAYS. 1489 01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:11,500 AND SO SOMEHOW HE HAS TO MAKE UP 1490 01:20:11,500 --> 01:20:13,433 THESE 48 DAYS 1491 01:20:13,433 --> 01:20:16,967 OF THE INTENDED SENTENCE OF 90. 1492 01:20:16,967 --> 01:20:19,533 NOW GUNSON AT THIS POINT SAID, 1493 01:20:19,533 --> 01:20:22,533 "IF IT'S 48 MORE DAYS YOU WANT, 1494 01:20:22,533 --> 01:20:24,767 WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE HIM 48 DAYS 1495 01:20:24,767 --> 01:20:27,033 IN THE COUNTY JAIL? 1496 01:20:27,033 --> 01:20:29,767 AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE ACCOMPLISHED 1497 01:20:29,767 --> 01:20:32,667 HIM SERVING THE FULL 90 DAYS IN JAIL." 1498 01:20:32,667 --> 01:20:34,600 AND RITTENBAND SAID, 1499 01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,800 NO, HE WAS NOT WILLING TO DO THAT 1500 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,000 BECAUSE THE PERCEPTION OF A PRISON SENTENCE 1501 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,767 MUST BE MAINTAINED FOR THE PRESS. 1502 01:20:56,500 --> 01:20:58,300 Dalton: HE TOLD ME 1503 01:20:58,300 --> 01:21:00,800 THAT IF I WOULD COME BACK TO COURT 1504 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:05,400 AFTER THE PRESS WAS GONE AND THE PUBLIC WAS GONE, 1505 01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:09,333 THAT HE WOULD THEN RECALL POLANSKI 1506 01:21:09,333 --> 01:21:12,533 AND HE WOULD BE RELEASED FROM PRISON. 1507 01:21:31,266 --> 01:21:34,066 Gunson: IT BECAME OBVIOUS TO ME 1508 01:21:34,066 --> 01:21:36,100 THAT HE WANTED HIM DEPORTED 1509 01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:39,400 BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT HIM AROUND HERE 1510 01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,200 EMBARRASSING THE JUDGE 1511 01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,667 ANY MORE THAN HE ALREADY HAD. 1512 01:21:53,033 --> 01:21:55,734 HE WANTED ROMAN TO AGREE 1513 01:21:55,734 --> 01:21:58,867 THAT HE WOULD VOLUNTARILY WAIVE 1514 01:21:58,867 --> 01:22:03,033 ANY RIGHTS HE MAY HAVE REGARDING DEPORTATION. 1515 01:22:03,033 --> 01:22:05,967 RITTENBAND HAD NO JURISDICTION 1516 01:22:05,967 --> 01:22:08,967 OVER SUCH MATTERS. AND IT IS ILLEGAL 1517 01:22:08,967 --> 01:22:11,133 TO IMPOSE AN ILLEGAL CONDITION 1518 01:22:11,133 --> 01:22:13,467 UPON SOMEBODY SERVING TIME IN CUSTODY. 1519 01:22:13,467 --> 01:22:15,500 AND SO WE NOW ARE IN A CATEGORY 1520 01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:19,433 OF ACTUAL ILLEGAL CONDUCT. 1521 01:22:19,433 --> 01:22:21,633 THIS WAS GETTING RATHER CONTENTIOUS, 1522 01:22:21,633 --> 01:22:23,600 AS YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND, 1523 01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,767 AND I SAID, "IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, JUDGE, 1524 01:22:25,767 --> 01:22:28,967 I WANT TO HAVE A HEARING REGARDING THE SENTENCING 1525 01:22:28,967 --> 01:22:30,767 AS WE'RE ENTITLED TO DO. 1526 01:22:30,767 --> 01:22:32,734 AND I WANT TO HAVE WITNESSES HERE 1527 01:22:32,734 --> 01:22:34,533 AND I WANT TO HAVE A HEARING." 1528 01:22:34,533 --> 01:22:37,233 AND HE SAID, "WELL, I'M GOING TO SENTENCE HIM ANYWAY. 1529 01:22:37,233 --> 01:22:40,934 AND IF YOU STILL INSIST ON HAVING YOUR HEARING 1530 01:22:40,934 --> 01:22:42,767 THEN I MAY WITHDRAW THESE THINGS 1531 01:22:42,767 --> 01:22:44,767 THAT I TOLD YOU THAT I WOULD DO 1532 01:22:44,767 --> 01:22:47,033 IF YOU WENT ALONG WITH THIS THING 1533 01:22:47,033 --> 01:22:50,033 THAT I'M GOING TO DO TOMORROW." 1534 01:22:50,033 --> 01:22:52,567 THE PROCEEDING WAS CONCLUDED BY-- 1535 01:22:52,567 --> 01:22:55,567 JUDGE RITTENBAND, AS HE HAD DONE BEFORE, 1536 01:22:55,567 --> 01:22:59,200 DIRECTED ME TO ARGUE FOR PROBATION. 1537 01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:03,533 HE WANTED GUNSON TO, AGAIN, ARGUE FOR TIME IN CUSTODY. 1538 01:23:03,533 --> 01:23:05,734 AND THEN HE WOULD IMPOSE THE SENTENCE 1539 01:23:05,734 --> 01:23:07,200 THAT HE HAD DISCUSSED WITH US. 1540 01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,100 I CERTAINLY WAS NOT ARGUING 1541 01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:11,133 FOR STATE PRISON IN CHAMBERS, 1542 01:23:11,133 --> 01:23:13,533 NOR DID I INTEND TO ARGUE 1543 01:23:13,533 --> 01:23:15,567 THAT HE SHOULD SEND HIM TO STATE PRISON 1544 01:23:15,567 --> 01:23:18,400 TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS SHAM 1545 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,934 THAT THE JUDGE WAS INVOLVED IN. 1546 01:23:20,934 --> 01:23:24,467 WE GOT UP, WE WALKED OUT OF THE ROOM. 1547 01:23:24,467 --> 01:23:28,300 I REMEMBER 1548 01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:30,734 SAYING IMMEDIATELY TO GUNSON, 1549 01:23:30,734 --> 01:23:33,467 "I'M NOT GOING TO DO THIS AGAIN. 1550 01:23:33,467 --> 01:23:35,333 NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES, 1551 01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:38,667 I'M NOT GONNA PARTICIPATE IN THIS THING." 1552 01:23:38,667 --> 01:23:41,433 AND GUNSON SAID, "I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT EITHER." 1553 01:23:41,433 --> 01:23:45,100 AS WE WALKED DOWN THE AISLE 1554 01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:49,800 PAST THE CHAIRS OF AN EMPTY COURTROOM AT THAT TIME, 1555 01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,400 DOUG DALTON TURNED TO ME AND SAID, 1556 01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:56,767 "DO YOU THINK THAT I CAN TRUST THE JUDGE?" 1557 01:23:56,767 --> 01:23:58,700 AND I SAID 1558 01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:00,800 SOMETHING THAT I WISH I HADN'T SAID. 1559 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,767 MAYBE IT DID OR DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE, 1560 01:24:03,767 --> 01:24:05,500 BUT I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID IT. 1561 01:24:05,500 --> 01:24:08,367 AND WHAT I SAID TO HIM WAS, 1562 01:24:08,367 --> 01:24:12,300 "I DON'T KNOW WHY NOT. YOU TRUSTED HIM ONCE." 1563 01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,166 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO 1564 01:24:36,166 --> 01:24:37,834 THE FOLLOWING DAY. 1565 01:24:37,834 --> 01:24:41,533 I DID KNOW THAT I WAS NO LONGER GOING TO PARTICIPATE 1566 01:24:41,533 --> 01:24:44,800 IN A PROCEEDING THAT WAS BEING DESIGNED SOLELY 1567 01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,433 TO ADVANCE THE PURPOSES OF JUDGE RITTENBAND. 1568 01:24:48,433 --> 01:24:50,967 I TOLD MR. DALTON 1569 01:24:50,967 --> 01:24:54,233 THAT I WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO... 1570 01:24:56,734 --> 01:24:58,734 DISCLOSE THIS INFORMATION 1571 01:24:58,734 --> 01:25:02,100 TO ANYONE AT ANY PLACE AT ANY TIME. 1572 01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:04,600 Dalton: I CONTACTED ROMAN 1573 01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,433 AND I SAID FOR THEM TO COME TO MY OFFICE 1574 01:25:06,433 --> 01:25:08,500 AND DISCUSS WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN 1575 01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:10,934 THE FOLLOWING MORNING. 1576 01:25:10,934 --> 01:25:13,200 I TOLD THEM IT WAS MY OPINION 1577 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,600 THAT THE SENTENCE WOULD BE ILLEGAL, 1578 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:19,100 THAT WE COULD PROBABLY OBTAIN RELIEF ON APPEAL, 1579 01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:21,633 BUT THAT WOULD INVOLVE A LONG PROCEDURE 1580 01:25:21,633 --> 01:25:24,734 AND POLANSKI WOULD BE INCARCERATED 1581 01:25:24,734 --> 01:25:27,000 DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 1582 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,233 I SAID THAT THE JUDGE HAD SAID 1583 01:25:30,233 --> 01:25:33,867 THAT IF ROMAN AGREED TO WAIVE 1584 01:25:33,867 --> 01:25:36,166 ANY DEPORTATION HEARING 1585 01:25:36,166 --> 01:25:38,266 AND BE DEPORTED, 1586 01:25:38,266 --> 01:25:41,400 THAT HE WOULD THEN BE RELEASED 1587 01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:45,500 IF HE ALSO HAD BY THEN SERVED 48 DAYS. 1588 01:25:47,166 --> 01:25:50,900 ROMAN SAID TO ME, "CAN WE TRUST HIM?" 1589 01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:53,867 AND I SAID, "NO, WE CAN'T TRUST HIM. 1590 01:25:53,867 --> 01:25:56,800 WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE MAY DO. 1591 01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,333 WE'VE ALL AGREED 1592 01:25:58,333 --> 01:26:00,367 THAT HE CAN NO LONGER BE TRUSTED 1593 01:26:00,367 --> 01:26:03,934 AND WHAT HE REPRESENTS TO US IS WORTHLESS." 1594 01:26:06,734 --> 01:26:09,800 WITH THAT, ROMAN GOT UP, LOOKED AT ME 1595 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:13,200 AND I BELIEVE HE SAID, "I'LL SEE YOU GUYS LATER." 1596 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,467 AND HE LEFT THE ROOM. 1597 01:26:29,567 --> 01:26:32,266 Sidewater: THERE WERE TWO OR THREE OTHER PEOPLE THERE. 1598 01:26:32,266 --> 01:26:34,633 AND I GAVE ROMAN AN ENVELOPE, 1599 01:26:34,633 --> 01:26:36,900 WHICH I THOUGHT WAS SCRIPT NOTES 1600 01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:39,033 OR SOMETHING ELSE. 1601 01:26:44,533 --> 01:26:46,333 THE GENERAL FEELING I HAD IS, 1602 01:26:46,333 --> 01:26:49,633 "WHY IS EVERYBODY SO NERVOUS? " 1603 01:26:49,633 --> 01:26:53,166 THERE WAS AN ELECTRICITY IN THE AIR. 1604 01:27:17,100 --> 01:27:22,033 ( Pierre-Andre Boutang speaking French ) 1605 01:27:56,433 --> 01:27:58,433 Dalton: ...HAVE TO DO WITH 1606 01:27:58,433 --> 01:28:01,500 WHAT WAS MY CONVERSATION WITH MR. POLANSKI. 1607 01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:03,400 MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM IS PROTECTED 1608 01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,500 BY THE ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. 1609 01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:07,467 I CAN'T DIVULGE TO YOU 1610 01:28:07,467 --> 01:28:09,166 THE SUBSTANCE OR THE CONTENT 1611 01:28:09,166 --> 01:28:10,900 OF MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM. 1612 01:28:10,900 --> 01:28:13,000 ONLY TO SAY WHAT I SAID IN COURT-- 1613 01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,500 THAT HE DID CALL ME THIS MORNING AT MY HOME 1614 01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:17,600 AND HE TOLD ME HE WOULD NOT BE HERE. 1615 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:22,300 I ASKED HIM TO CALL ME AGAIN 1616 01:28:22,300 --> 01:28:25,066 BECAUSE I WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS WITH HIM FURTHER 1617 01:28:25,066 --> 01:28:27,266 AND ATTEMPT TO PERSUADE HIM TO RETURN. 1618 01:28:27,266 --> 01:28:29,533 HE SAID HE WOULD CALL ME AGAIN. 1619 01:28:29,533 --> 01:28:31,600 DOUG, THE COURT ASKED YOU WHETHER YOU THOUGHT 1620 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,533 YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK HIM INTO COMING BACK. 1621 01:28:33,533 --> 01:28:35,033 WHAT WAS YOUR RESPONSE? 1622 01:28:35,033 --> 01:28:36,533 I SAID I THOUGHT I HAD 1623 01:28:36,533 --> 01:28:38,433 A REASONABLE CHANCE OF BEING SUCCESSFUL. 1624 01:28:38,433 --> 01:28:40,667 Woman: HOW WILL YOU TRY TO DO IT? 1625 01:28:40,667 --> 01:28:43,066 CAN YOU TELL US WHAT MAKES YOU THINK 1626 01:28:43,066 --> 01:28:45,333 - HE'S OUT OF THE COUNTRY? - NO, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT. 1627 01:28:45,333 --> 01:28:47,500 MY BELIEF IS THAT HE'S NOT IN THE COUNTRY. 1628 01:28:47,500 --> 01:28:49,667 WHAT HAPPENS IF HE DOES NOT COME BACK, MR. DALTON? 1629 01:28:49,667 --> 01:28:51,667 THEN THE COURT GOES AHEAD AND-- 1630 01:28:51,667 --> 01:28:54,000 Reporter: ROMAN POLANSKI IS IN SECLUSION, 1631 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,967 HIS FRIENDS SAY, INSIDE THIS FASHIONABLE BUILDING 1632 01:28:55,967 --> 01:28:57,800 IN DOWNTOWN PARIS WHERE HE KEEPS AN APARTMENT. 1633 01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,967 Reporter HE SKIPPED THE COUNTRY EARLY YESTERDAY 1634 01:28:59,967 --> 01:29:03,100 ONLY HOURS BEFORE HE WAS TO BE SENTENCED FOR ILLEGALLY HAVING SEX WITH-- 1635 01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:05,500 Reporter HE HAD GIVEN HER CHAMPAGNE AND A QUAALUDE. 1636 01:29:05,500 --> 01:29:07,133 Reporter HE HAS TOLD A FRIEND HERE 1637 01:29:07,133 --> 01:29:09,367 HIS REFRIGERATOR IS FULL, AND HE DOES NOT INTEND TO LEAVE. 1638 01:29:09,367 --> 01:29:11,400 Reporter MANY FEEL THE AURA OF TRAGEDY 1639 01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,900 AND SENSATIONALISM THAT SURROUNDS POLANSKI 1640 01:29:13,900 --> 01:29:15,567 OBSCURES HIS BRILLIANCE AS A DIRECTOR. 1641 01:29:15,567 --> 01:29:18,000 Reporter THE JUDGE IN THE ROMAN POLANSKI MORALS CASE 1642 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,166 SAID TODAY HE INTENDED TO SEND POLANSKI BACK TO PRISON. 1643 01:29:20,166 --> 01:29:22,100 Reporter "A YEAR OF TORTURE IS ENOUGH." 1644 01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:23,500 Reporter ...HAS BEGUN PROCEEDINGS 1645 01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:25,433 TO FORCE POLANSKI BACK TO THE UNITED STATES. 1646 01:29:25,433 --> 01:29:28,200 HOWEVER, AUTHORITIES ARE NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT SUCCEEDING. 1647 01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,567 UNFORTUNATELY, I'M ADVISED THAT THE TREATY WITH FRANCE 1648 01:29:30,567 --> 01:29:33,133 MIGHT NOT ALLOW FOR HIS RETURN TO THIS COUNTRY, 1649 01:29:33,133 --> 01:29:35,600 AT OUR REQUEST, TO BE SENTENCED ON THIS CHARGE. 1650 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,133 Fernell Chapman: WHY IS THAT? 1651 01:29:37,133 --> 01:29:38,400 AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, 1652 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,567 THE TREATY ONLY SPECIFIES, NUMBER ONE, RAPE. 1653 01:29:41,567 --> 01:29:43,867 AS YOU KNOW, MR. POLANSKI WAS NOT CONVICTED OF RAPE. 1654 01:29:43,867 --> 01:29:46,266 HE WAS CONVICTED OF UNLAWFUL SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, 1655 01:29:46,266 --> 01:29:47,967 AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT CRIME THAN RAPE. 1656 01:29:47,967 --> 01:29:50,767 SECONDLY, THE TREATY SPECIFIES 1657 01:29:50,767 --> 01:29:52,533 THAT IT'S DISCRETIONARY 1658 01:29:52,533 --> 01:29:54,767 ON THE PART OF FRANCE TO RETURN FRENCH CITIZENS. 1659 01:29:54,767 --> 01:29:56,300 IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE AN OPTION. 1660 01:29:56,300 --> 01:29:58,200 THEY CAN OR THEY CAN'T, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY FEEL 1661 01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,333 ABOUT A PARTICULAR CASE OR MAYBE EVEN POSSIBLY A PARTICULAR PERSON. 1662 01:30:01,333 --> 01:30:04,767 WHETHER THE D.A. SUCCEEDS IN EXTRADITING POLANSKI OR NOT, 1663 01:30:04,767 --> 01:30:06,367 JUDGE LAWRENCE RITTENBAND PLANS 1664 01:30:06,367 --> 01:30:09,500 TO IMPOSE POLANSKI'S SENTENCE ON FEBRUARY 14th, 1665 01:30:09,500 --> 01:30:11,834 WITH OR WITHOUT THE FILMMAKER'S PRESENCE. 1666 01:30:11,834 --> 01:30:14,300 THE LENGTH OF TIME OF COURSE WOULD DEPEND 1667 01:30:14,300 --> 01:30:16,166 UPON WHETHER OR NOT 1668 01:30:16,166 --> 01:30:18,333 THERE WOULD BE A DEPORTATION, 1669 01:30:18,333 --> 01:30:21,667 OR IF NOT DEPORTED INVOLUNTARILY, 1670 01:30:21,667 --> 01:30:24,900 HE WOULD AGREE WITH THE DIRECTOR OF IMMIGRATION 1671 01:30:24,900 --> 01:30:28,033 TO CONSENT IN WRITING 1672 01:30:28,033 --> 01:30:30,533 TO LEAVING THE COUNTRY-- 1673 01:30:30,533 --> 01:30:32,367 IN WHICH CASE, 1674 01:30:32,367 --> 01:30:35,667 ANY BALANCE OF HIS STAY IN STATE PRISON 1675 01:30:35,667 --> 01:30:37,734 WOULD BE CUT SHORT. 1676 01:30:37,734 --> 01:30:39,834 BUT IT WAS TO BE NO LESS 1677 01:30:39,834 --> 01:30:43,033 THAN THE FULL PERIOD OF 90 DAYS. 1678 01:30:43,033 --> 01:30:46,567 Dalton: THE JUDGE HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE. 1679 01:30:46,567 --> 01:30:50,000 SHOCK WAVES WENT THROUGH THE JUDICIAL COMMUNITY. 1680 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,300 A JUDGE HOLDING A PRESS CONFERENCE 1681 01:30:52,300 --> 01:30:55,100 REGARDING A PENDING CASE-- 1682 01:30:55,100 --> 01:30:59,133 TOTALLY UNHEARD OF. 1683 01:30:59,133 --> 01:31:01,734 HE SAID THAT HE INTENDED NOW 1684 01:31:01,734 --> 01:31:05,734 TO SENTENCE POLANSKI IN ABSENTIA. 1685 01:31:05,734 --> 01:31:09,333 SO I PREPARED A CHALLENGE FOR CAUSE 1686 01:31:09,333 --> 01:31:11,367 TO DISQUALIFY A JUDGE. 1687 01:31:11,367 --> 01:31:13,900 IF YOU DO THIS, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PROVE 1688 01:31:13,900 --> 01:31:16,433 THAT THERE ARE ACTUAL PREJUDICES 1689 01:31:16,433 --> 01:31:18,133 EXISTING BY THE JUDGE 1690 01:31:18,133 --> 01:31:20,533 AND THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A FAIR TRIAL 1691 01:31:20,533 --> 01:31:23,700 OR A FAIR HEARING BEFORE HIM. 1692 01:31:23,700 --> 01:31:26,767 I SHOWED THE DECLARATION TO ROGER GUNSON. 1693 01:31:26,767 --> 01:31:29,433 HE READ IT VERY CAREFULLY. HE AGREED-- 1694 01:31:29,433 --> 01:31:31,633 "THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. 1695 01:31:31,633 --> 01:31:34,767 I WILL BACK YOU UP IF NEED BE." 1696 01:31:34,767 --> 01:31:37,467 THE JUDGE WAS FURIOUS. 1697 01:31:37,467 --> 01:31:41,300 HE KNEW THE STATEMENTS IN THE DECLARATION WERE ALL TRUE. 1698 01:31:41,300 --> 01:31:44,400 HE KNEW THAT I KNEW IT, HE KNEW THAT GUNSON KNEW IT 1699 01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,800 AND HE KNEW THAT LARRY SILVER KNEW PARTS OF IT. 1700 01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:52,000 AND SO THERE WAS NOTHING HE COULD DO BUT STEP ASIDE. 1701 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,633 HE WAS THROUGH AND HE KNEW IT. 1702 01:32:07,667 --> 01:32:10,800 Geimer: I WAS YOUNG, BUT THE WAY I FELT WAS, 1703 01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,533 THE JUDGE WAS ENJOYING THE PUBLICITY 1704 01:32:12,533 --> 01:32:14,200 AND HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO ME 1705 01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,200 AND HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO POLANSKI. 1706 01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,533 HE WAS, LIKE, ORCHESTRATING SOME LITTLE SHOW, 1707 01:32:18,533 --> 01:32:21,200 YOU KNOW, THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN. 1708 01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,667 I CLEARLY HOLD NO BRIEF FOR MR. POLANSKI. 1709 01:32:23,667 --> 01:32:27,000 AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT HE DID TO SAMANTHA, MY CLIENT, 1710 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,834 WAS WRONG AND OUTRAGEOUS, 1711 01:32:28,834 --> 01:32:31,767 BUT NEVERTHELESS, HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TREATED FAIRLY IN COURT 1712 01:32:31,767 --> 01:32:33,100 AND HE CLEARLY WAS NOT. 1713 01:32:33,100 --> 01:32:34,834 I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT HE LEFT 1714 01:32:34,834 --> 01:32:37,133 UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. 1715 01:32:37,133 --> 01:32:39,633 Marina Zenovich: REALLY? 1716 01:32:39,633 --> 01:32:42,300 YEAH. 1717 01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:46,467 ( sizzling ) 1718 01:32:46,467 --> 01:32:48,600 JESUS. WOW. 1719 01:32:50,066 --> 01:32:52,433 ( both laugh ) 1720 01:32:52,433 --> 01:32:55,033 CLIVE, I THINK IT WAS A WONDERFUL IDEA 1721 01:32:55,033 --> 01:32:57,934 TO DO THIS INTERVIEW 1722 01:32:57,934 --> 01:33:01,233 OVER THIS LUNCH, 1723 01:33:01,233 --> 01:33:03,800 BUT THE LUNCH IS GETTING INTO A DINNER NOW. 1724 01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,700 AND IN CASE IF YOU HAVE IN MIND 1725 01:33:05,700 --> 01:33:08,266 FINISHING THIS INTERVIEW, I WANTED TO ASK YOU 1726 01:33:08,266 --> 01:33:10,400 WHETHER YOU INTEND TO END ON THIS NOTE, 1727 01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,333 OR DO YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING MORE TO MY LIFE 1728 01:33:13,333 --> 01:33:17,800 THAN MY RELATIONS WITH YOUNG WOMEN? 1729 01:33:38,333 --> 01:33:43,266 Braunsberg: HE REBUILT HIS LIFE IN FRANCE 1730 01:33:43,266 --> 01:33:46,533 WITH GREAT HONOR. 1731 01:33:48,734 --> 01:33:51,567 HE'S A MEMBER OF THE ACADEMIE FRANCAISE. 1732 01:33:51,567 --> 01:33:55,700 AND IN FRANCE HE'S DESIRED, 1733 01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:57,900 AND IN AMERICA HE'S WANTED. 1734 01:34:01,767 --> 01:34:04,734 ( French reporter speaking ) 1735 01:34:16,934 --> 01:34:19,900 ( Arnaud d'Hauterives speaking ) 1736 01:34:35,867 --> 01:34:38,400 PERMETTEZ-MOI DE VOUS ADRESSER 1737 01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,367 UN TRES CHALEUREUX MERCI. 1738 01:34:40,367 --> 01:34:43,066 ( applause ) 1739 01:35:17,100 --> 01:35:20,800 AND THE OSCAR... 1740 01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:25,166 GOES TO ROMAN POLANSKI FOR "THE PIANIST." 1741 01:35:25,166 --> 01:35:28,800 ( whistles ) 1742 01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,800 THE ACADEMY CONGRATULATES ROMAN POLANSKI 1743 01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:36,133 AND ACCEPTS THIS AWARD ON HIS BEHALF. 1744 01:36:15,934 --> 01:36:18,433 ( rock music playing )